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F 3X M3 Motor nieuws

Bericht door romo » 18 okt 2010, 20:16

Following this thread, I came across some more speculation on the engine powering the next generation M3, called the F3x M3. In the past, SCOTT has mentioned that the N55 TwinPower inline 6 would be used as the base engine. No firm news yet, but here's some information on what BMW M is working on to turn the N55 into a real M engine.

First of all, it's my understanding that BMW M is still considering several engines or rather engine layouts for the next M3, so I can't tell whether this particular engine will actually make it into production, only that this is one possible layout they're looking into:

This engine -- let's call it S55 -- underwent heavy modifications to meet the prospective output of 450 HP:

- The displacement will be increased from 3.0l to 3.5l. We've had a discussion on this possibility earlier here, and came to the conclusion it wasn't possible based on the N55's cylinder spacing. What we didn't know back then is that BMW wouldn't touch the N55's bore, but implement this increase solely by adding stroke. In other words, crank and heads will be different from the N55.

- Furthermore, the S55 will have a new turbo layout. There's no word yet on the exact layout other than it will be aspirated by the help of three turbos. BMW followed a similar approach with the N63 V8 engine on its way to become the S63 engine powering the X5/6 M and soon the M5/6 models. The N63's two individual turbo chargers (each taking care of one bank of the V) were replaced with two twinscroll turbo chargers, and thus the amount of individual scrolls has been doubled. As some have suggested already, this approach can't feasibly be replicated on an inline 6 engine (or any 6 cylinder). There is no easy way to split the exhaust pulses of 6 cylinders into 4 turbo scrolls. Instead, three turbo scrolls were found to be the right solution. Whether that means one additional turbo to the existing twinscroll turbo of the N55 or three individual (single scroll) turbos, or even one tri-scroll turbo remains to be seen. Personally, I'd expect three individual turbos because that would allow for rather small chargers with a low inertia.

As of now, it sounds like the next M3 will only be available with a seven speed DCT transmission. No 6MT! Also, as things look now, there will be an F30 M3 sedan complementing the F32 M3 coupe and the F33 M3 convertible again.

We brought you the news of the X3 M reaching its mature phase of development last week. Now we can add the first, yet most important, fact about this car: It will basically share the engine with the F3x M3. In other words, BMW would choose the same route as with the X5/6M and let an early version of the S55 engine debut in the X3 M.

Finally, here's a heads-up for everybody disdaining BMW M's decision to turn away from high-revving, naturally aspirated, engines: You better be quick to put in your order for an E9x M3. The rumor has it that the E9x M3 ends production in 2011, including the E92 and E93 M3.



Best regards,
south

Uiteraard FWIW, maar South heeft wel directe lijnen met Scott................



idd the end of high reving ///M engines....................zoals boven vermeld; het vergroten van de slag komt het toerental niet ten goede.............. :hmmm:

450 paarden uit 3,5 l maakt 128 PK/L.............das toch erg bescheiden voor een turbo..........150 PK/L kan makkelijk.........dat maakt al 525 PK..............komt ook meer in de buurt van een (X)M5-6...het gat wordt dan wel onbenullig groot IMHO

Toekomst; een berg koppel, bescheiden toename PK aantallen, lagere max RPM`s...........het enige waar we nog voor moeten vrezen is weer 100kg aan massa er bij.............

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Re: F 3X M3 Motor nieuws

Bericht door JurT » 18 okt 2010, 20:39

Dit is slecht nieuws :'(

Nu zeker weten vasthouden aan mijn e36 m3.. :mrgreen:

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Re: F 3X M3 Motor nieuws

Bericht door Andre » 18 okt 2010, 20:43

Tja sad news. Maar ja we kunnen niet anders.

Ik had liever een 4.0 liter 6 cil gezien met 450pk en 8500 rpm dan met een of andere electrische aandrijving in de bak die het co2 laat dalen. Kijk bijv naar de 918 van porsche 70 co2

Maar turbo s is natuurlijk de easy money way.

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Re: F 3X M3 Motor nieuws

Bericht door Knot » 18 okt 2010, 20:49

Toch zonde maar ze moeten wat met dat milieur gedoe.

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Re: F 3X M3 Motor nieuws

Bericht door Leen » 18 okt 2010, 21:10

straks mijn (Last)M(ohican)3V8 per opbod verkopen :lol:

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Re: F 3X M3 Motor nieuws

Bericht door Joop » 18 okt 2010, 21:16

Ziet er vooralsnog nog niet rooskleurig uit...

...easy cruisend rechtuitbranden of hard gaan in de bochten zal wel lukken met deze configuratie, maar dat druppeltje werkzweet blijft je bespaard...

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Re: F 3X M3 Motor nieuws

Bericht door romo » 18 okt 2010, 22:23

SCOTT;

I am not sure about the deletion of the manual transmission. I know in terms of manual they refer to only two cars the 1M and the M3.
Due to the technology that comes with the M5 I think this has killed the manual transmission. M5's I have seen, all included M-DCT.

As for the E90 successor , I have heard nothing official rather than just Coupe and Cabrio models next time around.

But X3 is coming as is an X4 - The X4 is moving rapidly now and like the X5 and X6 before it the introduction of an M variant will mean the X3 also comes along for the ride.

As for the engine debate - The N55 forms the basis for the next M3 but as suggested before it is not a complete transplant.
If you look at the powerplant for the forthcoming M5 it is "based" on the poweplant found in the X's it is not a complete transplant the engine is enhanced to accomodate the character of the M5 meaning more power, etc.

Same goes for the 1M and indeed the M3. The M engineers are experts in finding solutions that seperate the cars and that is something that wont change , every engine could be the same but not all of the cars are the same - M is about character and each car has to have a unique character and that includes engines. Dogmas might be thrown out the window , but an M will always be an M not a superfast BMW 135i, 335i or 550i.

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