Alles over de E90/E92/E93 M3 (part II)
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René130i
- Berichten: 5506
- Lid geworden op: 28 jan 2007, 23:39
- Locatie: Friesland www.130i.nl
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GTRene
- Berichten: 54882
- Lid geworden op: 01 mar 2007, 19:06
Deze set vind ik wel mooi 8) , die andere uit je link daarna niet.Bert ///M3 schreef:Wit spuiten dikke spoiler achterop en je kan er mee racen
Flossmann heeft ook al een paar leuke setjes te koop voor de M3 V8.
De GT3 versie:
[img:392:287]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/f1.jpg[/img]
[img:392:336]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/f2.jpg[/img]
[img:392:319]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/f3.jpg[/img]
[img:392:294]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/f4.jpg[/img]
[img:392:307]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/f5.jpg[/img]
[img:392:237]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/f6.jpg[/img]
[img:392:294]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/d1.jpg[/img]
[img:392:277]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/d2.jpg[/img]
[img:392:294]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/d3.jpg[/img]
[img:392:294]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/d4.jpg[/img]
[img:392:294]http://www.racingparts-bmw.de/start/eng ... e92/d5.jpg[/img]
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Macboy
- Berichten: 26187
- Lid geworden op: 02 feb 2006, 11:49
- Locatie: www.petkovski.nl
Is dat oud nieuws? Vast wel..-
Femme
- Berichten: 1595
- Lid geworden op: 02 aug 2006, 21:27
- Locatie: Ruurlo
Het staat in de Auto Zeitung van deze maand.ErikKramer schreef:Ligt er aan hoe vers dat blad is, laatste nieuws is dat de CSL niet door zou gaan.....toch??
Die 470pk schijnen ze zonder vergroting van de cylinderinhoud te willen behouden, wat op zich al knap is (specifiek vermogen van 117,5pk per liter).
Ik kan me voorstellen dat er nog behoorlijk wat gewichtsbesparing mogelijk is in de E92 met relatief eenvoudige ingrepen zoals lichtgewicht stoelen, een lichtgewicht accu, lichtgewicht uitlaat en wat koolstofvezel plaatwerk.
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Wouter81
- Berichten: 9424
- Lid geworden op: 12 okt 2006, 11:29
- Auto: GR86|California|Grand Vitara
- Locatie: Curaçao
Zou het ook bijzonder vreemd vinden als het ding er niet komt. BMW profileert zich, ook door hun F1 deelname, als een erg sportief merk dus dan moet je ook wel een echte supersporter in je programma hebben. Ook bij BMW weten ze wel dat een gewone M3 aan de zware kant is.romo schreef:Ik lees net op German Car Zone dat ons aller bekende Scotty heeft bevestigd dat er wel een CSL komt................................FWIW
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romo
- Berichten: 27064
- Lid geworden op: 04 jun 2006, 17:43
- Locatie: Create a problem Incite a reaction Propose a solution The /// M-pire strikes back
Jeremy Clarkson BMW M3 convertible review | Driving - Times Online
t’s my job, each week, to come here and write about flowers, frogs, foxes and fornication and then, towards the end, say a little bit about the car I’ve been driving. It is not my job to tell the motor manufacturers what to do. Some of my colleagues in this auto journalism malarkey are an extension of the car industry, shaping its policy and directing future operations. They are clever. They can understand and explain torque. I can’t. I’m just a punter, test-driving cars and saying whether I like them or not.
Normally, then, I would say that the satellite navigation system used by BMW is rubbish and move on. But with petrol at £400 a litre, we can’t afford to be wasting the stuff by driving to the shops via Dorset every morning. So, today, I shall break with tradition and urge BMW to talk to its sat nav suppliers, with some steely-eyed, Germanic sternness.
The system in the M3 I had last week did not know about the A43. It has no clue that the M25 is connected to central London by the A40. And it had never heard of the Fosse Way, even though it’s been around for 2,000 years.
Last Wednesday, I needed to drive from London to Corby, which, in my mind, was just a few miles from the A1. But the madman in the M3’s dashboard had never heard of the Great North Road and was adamant I should use the M1. So I did.
Big mistake. Back in 1959, the M1 was a wondrous thing, a big grey superhighway for people on the move. It had a point. It had a purpose. Back then the government took our money in taxes and used it to make our lives better with new roads. Now, it uses those roads as a device for making money to fund the government. The M1 has become nothing more than a cash cow.
They say that they are widening the carriageways from London to Watford, and they probably are. But when work moves this slowly, it’s hard to be sure that they’re telling the truth. What we do know is that by putting cones on the hard shoulder, they can claim that roadworks are happening and this means, of course, they can impose extra low speed limits to protect the workforce.
How this is possible I don’t know, since the workforce is all in Dublin, drinking Guinness. But no matter. To enforce the 50mph limit, they have erected average speed cameras not just over a short stretch but for nearly 20 miles.
And so, onwards you trudge, at caveman speeds not daring to look up from your speedometer in case you accidentally do 53 for a while. This would then require some mental maths to work out how far you’d have to travel at 47 to bring your average down again. And since we know we can’t use a mobile phone while driving because it’s a distraction, we can be fairly certain, calculators aren’t allowed either.
It’s absurd. Plainly, the M1 is no longer what the politicians now insist on calling “fit for purpose”. Endlessly widening it means it’s endlessly narrower and even more useless than if they’d left it alone in the first place. They should give up and simply build another six-lane highway that runs in parallel.
There is time to think about all this, and exactly where you’d shoot objectors, as you crawl along, in a slow moving maths exam, with no one looking where they’re going, all the way to Watford, where the limit ends and everyone hits the loud pedal. Scientists say it is impossible to go faster than the speed of light. It isn’t. Not when you’ve just spent half an hour doing 50 and you’re late. Everyone, even people in Nissan people carriers, burst out of the cones doing 670,616,629.7 miles per hour. And away from Corby.
Like all sat nav systems, you can choose in a BMW the criteria for your journey. Do you want the fastest route or the shortest? Do you want to avoid motorways or toll roads? All good stuff. But plainly the unit in the M3 was jammed on a setting that took the car past as many forward-facing speed cameras as possible.
So once I’d turned off the M1 in Northampton, which is officially listed in the AA road map as being “nowhere near Corby”, I was faced with mile upon interminable mile of tedium in the face of Big Brother. And the car wasn’t much good either.
I like the new M3. As a coupé, it is a surprisingly elegant thing of understated charm. It’s fast too. Really fast. At the Ascari track in southern Spain last year, it was a full five seconds a lap quicker than the ever so shouty 6.2 litre Mercedes C-class.
Best of all, though, you no longer have to be a pushy oik to buy one. Today, people with Take That haircuts, Oakley sunglasses and short-sleeved shirts are to be found in fast Audis, leaving BMWs to people who simply want a fast, practical means of getting from A, via Dorset, Aberdeen and the Kamchatka peninsula, to B.
The saloon version is even better. It doesn’t have a carbon fibre roof, which makes no difference at all, but it does have four doors and a bigger boot, which means your children can come too. And it’s a little bit cheaper.
The new convertible version, however, has a problem. Taking the roof off, say, a Peugeot doesn’t really matter. Who cares if it’s all floppy as a result. It was never built to be the ultimate driving machine in the first place.
The problem is that BMW’s M cars are built to be the last word in precision, handling, fun, grip and speed. And if you take the roof off, you are sacrificing torsional rigidity, which means you are sacrificing precision, handling, fun, grip and speed. You are therefore removing the whole point of the car. It’s much the same story with the Porsche 911.
You can feel the floppiness as you drive along. There’s a vibration in the steering wheel and a sense that all is not quite right in the corners. You can feel the weight too. It feels all the time like you’re dragging an anchor.
It wouldn’t be so bad if BMW had stuck with a canvas roof, but due to perfectly sensible market demand, it’s gone instead for the folding metal option. It really doesn’t work because apart from the extra metalwork this requires, the styling is hopeless. To get the back window to fold into the boot, it doesn’t slope like it should. Instead it rises like a small cliff from the base of the boot. This allows the roof itself to split in two and stack underneath it before folding into the boot. It’s all very clever but you don’t half feel like a show-off if you press the button in public. And good though the Germans may be, you just know that, five years from now, it’s going to jam.
Other things? Well, although back seats are fitted, God has not yet made a creature that would fit in them, and with the roof stowed, the boot is useful only if you are a naturist.
So, to conclude. The new 4 litre V8: very good. Lovely. Nice noise. Lots of power and bags of torque, whatever that is. The ride: excellent. Here at last is proof – are you listening, Mercedes? – that a sporty car does not have to shake your eyeballs out of their sockets.
I also like the system that uses energy from the brakes to power the electrical appliances. This means the alternator has less to do and consequently takes less power from the engine. That’s good for fuel economy, slightly.
But there’s no getting away from the fact that if you want a convertible, you are better off with an Audi RS 4 or a Mercedes. And if you want an M3, you are better off with the coupé or saloon.
Just be aware. Until BMW sorts out the stupid sat nav system, you will also have to invest in a portable TomTom. Because if you rely on the idiot in the dash, you’re going to spend the rest of your life in Guildford, looking for Edinburgh Castle.
Vital statistics
Model BMW M3 convertible
Engine 3999cc, eight cylinders
Power 420bhp @ 8300rpm
Torque 295lb ft @ 3900rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Fuel 21mpg (combined cycle)
CO2 309g/km
Acceleration 0-62mph: 5.3sec
Top speed 155mph
Price £54,760
Road tax band G (£400 for 12 months)
On sale Now
Verdict Compromised and confused cabrio
t’s my job, each week, to come here and write about flowers, frogs, foxes and fornication and then, towards the end, say a little bit about the car I’ve been driving. It is not my job to tell the motor manufacturers what to do. Some of my colleagues in this auto journalism malarkey are an extension of the car industry, shaping its policy and directing future operations. They are clever. They can understand and explain torque. I can’t. I’m just a punter, test-driving cars and saying whether I like them or not.
Normally, then, I would say that the satellite navigation system used by BMW is rubbish and move on. But with petrol at £400 a litre, we can’t afford to be wasting the stuff by driving to the shops via Dorset every morning. So, today, I shall break with tradition and urge BMW to talk to its sat nav suppliers, with some steely-eyed, Germanic sternness.
The system in the M3 I had last week did not know about the A43. It has no clue that the M25 is connected to central London by the A40. And it had never heard of the Fosse Way, even though it’s been around for 2,000 years.
Last Wednesday, I needed to drive from London to Corby, which, in my mind, was just a few miles from the A1. But the madman in the M3’s dashboard had never heard of the Great North Road and was adamant I should use the M1. So I did.
Big mistake. Back in 1959, the M1 was a wondrous thing, a big grey superhighway for people on the move. It had a point. It had a purpose. Back then the government took our money in taxes and used it to make our lives better with new roads. Now, it uses those roads as a device for making money to fund the government. The M1 has become nothing more than a cash cow.
They say that they are widening the carriageways from London to Watford, and they probably are. But when work moves this slowly, it’s hard to be sure that they’re telling the truth. What we do know is that by putting cones on the hard shoulder, they can claim that roadworks are happening and this means, of course, they can impose extra low speed limits to protect the workforce.
How this is possible I don’t know, since the workforce is all in Dublin, drinking Guinness. But no matter. To enforce the 50mph limit, they have erected average speed cameras not just over a short stretch but for nearly 20 miles.
And so, onwards you trudge, at caveman speeds not daring to look up from your speedometer in case you accidentally do 53 for a while. This would then require some mental maths to work out how far you’d have to travel at 47 to bring your average down again. And since we know we can’t use a mobile phone while driving because it’s a distraction, we can be fairly certain, calculators aren’t allowed either.
It’s absurd. Plainly, the M1 is no longer what the politicians now insist on calling “fit for purpose”. Endlessly widening it means it’s endlessly narrower and even more useless than if they’d left it alone in the first place. They should give up and simply build another six-lane highway that runs in parallel.
There is time to think about all this, and exactly where you’d shoot objectors, as you crawl along, in a slow moving maths exam, with no one looking where they’re going, all the way to Watford, where the limit ends and everyone hits the loud pedal. Scientists say it is impossible to go faster than the speed of light. It isn’t. Not when you’ve just spent half an hour doing 50 and you’re late. Everyone, even people in Nissan people carriers, burst out of the cones doing 670,616,629.7 miles per hour. And away from Corby.
Like all sat nav systems, you can choose in a BMW the criteria for your journey. Do you want the fastest route or the shortest? Do you want to avoid motorways or toll roads? All good stuff. But plainly the unit in the M3 was jammed on a setting that took the car past as many forward-facing speed cameras as possible.
So once I’d turned off the M1 in Northampton, which is officially listed in the AA road map as being “nowhere near Corby”, I was faced with mile upon interminable mile of tedium in the face of Big Brother. And the car wasn’t much good either.
I like the new M3. As a coupé, it is a surprisingly elegant thing of understated charm. It’s fast too. Really fast. At the Ascari track in southern Spain last year, it was a full five seconds a lap quicker than the ever so shouty 6.2 litre Mercedes C-class.
Best of all, though, you no longer have to be a pushy oik to buy one. Today, people with Take That haircuts, Oakley sunglasses and short-sleeved shirts are to be found in fast Audis, leaving BMWs to people who simply want a fast, practical means of getting from A, via Dorset, Aberdeen and the Kamchatka peninsula, to B.
The saloon version is even better. It doesn’t have a carbon fibre roof, which makes no difference at all, but it does have four doors and a bigger boot, which means your children can come too. And it’s a little bit cheaper.
The new convertible version, however, has a problem. Taking the roof off, say, a Peugeot doesn’t really matter. Who cares if it’s all floppy as a result. It was never built to be the ultimate driving machine in the first place.
The problem is that BMW’s M cars are built to be the last word in precision, handling, fun, grip and speed. And if you take the roof off, you are sacrificing torsional rigidity, which means you are sacrificing precision, handling, fun, grip and speed. You are therefore removing the whole point of the car. It’s much the same story with the Porsche 911.
You can feel the floppiness as you drive along. There’s a vibration in the steering wheel and a sense that all is not quite right in the corners. You can feel the weight too. It feels all the time like you’re dragging an anchor.
It wouldn’t be so bad if BMW had stuck with a canvas roof, but due to perfectly sensible market demand, it’s gone instead for the folding metal option. It really doesn’t work because apart from the extra metalwork this requires, the styling is hopeless. To get the back window to fold into the boot, it doesn’t slope like it should. Instead it rises like a small cliff from the base of the boot. This allows the roof itself to split in two and stack underneath it before folding into the boot. It’s all very clever but you don’t half feel like a show-off if you press the button in public. And good though the Germans may be, you just know that, five years from now, it’s going to jam.
Other things? Well, although back seats are fitted, God has not yet made a creature that would fit in them, and with the roof stowed, the boot is useful only if you are a naturist.
So, to conclude. The new 4 litre V8: very good. Lovely. Nice noise. Lots of power and bags of torque, whatever that is. The ride: excellent. Here at last is proof – are you listening, Mercedes? – that a sporty car does not have to shake your eyeballs out of their sockets.
I also like the system that uses energy from the brakes to power the electrical appliances. This means the alternator has less to do and consequently takes less power from the engine. That’s good for fuel economy, slightly.
But there’s no getting away from the fact that if you want a convertible, you are better off with an Audi RS 4 or a Mercedes. And if you want an M3, you are better off with the coupé or saloon.
Just be aware. Until BMW sorts out the stupid sat nav system, you will also have to invest in a portable TomTom. Because if you rely on the idiot in the dash, you’re going to spend the rest of your life in Guildford, looking for Edinburgh Castle.
Vital statistics
Model BMW M3 convertible
Engine 3999cc, eight cylinders
Power 420bhp @ 8300rpm
Torque 295lb ft @ 3900rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Fuel 21mpg (combined cycle)
CO2 309g/km
Acceleration 0-62mph: 5.3sec
Top speed 155mph
Price £54,760
Road tax band G (£400 for 12 months)
On sale Now
Verdict Compromised and confused cabrio
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Erik K.
- Berichten: 7209
- Lid geworden op: 27 mei 2006, 12:16
Nog een launch control video: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=jJqrtHSd0y0
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romo
- Berichten: 27064
- Lid geworden op: 04 jun 2006, 17:43
- Locatie: Create a problem Incite a reaction Propose a solution The /// M-pire strikes back
Paar mooie rookgordijnen...................................
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/fea ... _test.html
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/fea ... _test.html
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Jelmer850i
- Berichten: 5631
- Lid geworden op: 21 jun 2006, 19:06
- Locatie: Kantoor: www.jumptide.nl of M5
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romo
- Berichten: 27064
- Lid geworden op: 04 jun 2006, 17:43
- Locatie: Create a problem Incite a reaction Propose a solution The /// M-pire strikes back
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M-bitious
- Berichten: 2006
- Lid geworden op: 16 jan 2007, 13:37
- Locatie: Amsterdam
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HSR
- Berichten: 5499
- Lid geworden op: 18 aug 2006, 21:31
M-bitious schreef:Desalniettemin: ZUCHTFerdinand schreef:zijn wel goeie bakken, maar blijven voor mij toch wel een - beetje - sjonnie auto's (nou ff niet over mijn schnitsel siertip beginnen...). Knuppeltje .. hoenderhok .. ik weet het.
Weet je wat echt een verademing is, over Ferdinand zijn posts heen lezen. Voor je het weet is DF weer vermakelijk.
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Erik K.
- Berichten: 7209
- Lid geworden op: 27 mei 2006, 12:16
M3 sedan vs M3 coupe:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=_fshWGQfeHQ
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=_fshWGQfeHQ
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romo
- Berichten: 27064
- Lid geworden op: 04 jun 2006, 17:43
- Locatie: Create a problem Incite a reaction Propose a solution The /// M-pire strikes back
Erik K. schreef:M3 sedan vs M3 coupe:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=_fshWGQfeHQ
Hebben die gasten DF of wat........................
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Mark Nauta
- Berichten: 10755
- Lid geworden op: 26 aug 2006, 18:19
- Auto: 996 Carrera '02 | E36 M3 '94
- Locatie: Zevenbergen
De Beier is de naam M3 een beetje zat geloof ik 
http://www.driving-fun.com/forum/viewto ... highlight=
http://www.driving-fun.com/forum/viewto ... highlight=
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René130i
- Berichten: 5506
- Lid geworden op: 28 jan 2007, 23:39
- Locatie: Friesland www.130i.nl
Net een heel klein stukje E90 m3 mogen rijden.
God wat gaat dat hard. Waarschijnlijk is het de beleving (+ geluid). Ben wel wat gewend maar hier ging mijn hart serieus sneller van kloppen.
Verder niet lang genoeg gereden om iets over de auto te zeggen (te zwaar bv). Breekt wel snel uit dankzij de 400+ pk ofzo
Doe mij die maar...
God wat gaat dat hard. Waarschijnlijk is het de beleving (+ geluid). Ben wel wat gewend maar hier ging mijn hart serieus sneller van kloppen.
Verder niet lang genoeg gereden om iets over de auto te zeggen (te zwaar bv). Breekt wel snel uit dankzij de 400+ pk ofzo
Doe mij die maar...
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Sperdy
- Berichten: 4635
- Lid geworden op: 19 jul 2007, 11:56
- Locatie: Planet Earth
Ha Rene, heb gisteren ook in een E90M3 gereden. Superbak! Botergeil geluid, werkelijk waar. Heb sprintjes getrokken tegen mijn 135i. 1) Lage toeren, lage versnelling (dus bijv. 80 vanuit 3) en de 135i is weg, de M3 maakt dat niet meer goed 2) Doe je gewoon wie het hartst kan - kies maar je beste versnelling - dan loopt de 135i even weg maar wordt altijd ingehaald door de M3 (boven 230/240km/u of zo). De M3 is dan altijd sneller dan mijn 135i wiener schnitzel.
Moet wel zeggen, indrukwekkende auto die M3. Moet ook eerlijk zeggen, dat het vermogen van mijn 135i toch wel iets praktischer (zeg maar luier) is. Moest steeds weer terugschakelen in de M3, voor een beetje pit. Let je even niet op, en de 135i is weg. De bestuurder van de M3 zei dat ook. Maar daar is niets mis mee, dat is gewoon het concept: hoogtoeren. Prachtig hoe dat loopt!! De M3 deed mij toch wel veel denken aan de huidige RS4, waar ik ooit mee heb gereden op TT Assen met zgn. Audi dagen. De sound van de M3 is er eentje om je vingers bij af te likken!
Moet wel zeggen, indrukwekkende auto die M3. Moet ook eerlijk zeggen, dat het vermogen van mijn 135i toch wel iets praktischer (zeg maar luier) is. Moest steeds weer terugschakelen in de M3, voor een beetje pit. Let je even niet op, en de 135i is weg. De bestuurder van de M3 zei dat ook. Maar daar is niets mis mee, dat is gewoon het concept: hoogtoeren. Prachtig hoe dat loopt!! De M3 deed mij toch wel veel denken aan de huidige RS4, waar ik ooit mee heb gereden op TT Assen met zgn. Audi dagen. De sound van de M3 is er eentje om je vingers bij af te likken!
Laatst gewijzigd door Sperdy op 22 jul 2008, 15:22, 1 keer totaal gewijzigd.
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