F1 seizoen 2018
- WJ
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- Enrico
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Hij had het aan de ene kant beter niet kunnen doen maar hij heeft zich ingehouden en komt wel weer mega in het nieuws hierdoor, daar zijn ze bij Redbull sowieso goed in, marketing.
In mijn geval als ik op kop reed had die slakkenvreter een paar flinke muilperen gehad, dat is zeker.
In mijn geval als ik op kop reed had die slakkenvreter een paar flinke muilperen gehad, dat is zeker.
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Blijkbaar vroeg Max alleen hoe of wat.
En Ocon lachte & zeit dat 'ie sneller was dan Max dus dat hij niet moest zeuren.
Dan zou ik ook wel effe douwen.
En Ocon lachte & zeit dat 'ie sneller was dan Max dus dat hij niet moest zeuren.
Dan zou ik ook wel effe douwen.
- WJ
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Honda gaat samenwerking met IHI aan:
Formule 1-motorleverancier Honda gaat een technologische samenwerking aan met het Japanse IHI in een poging de ontwikkeling van de turbo in een stroomversnelling te brengen.
De Japanse fabrikant slaat in 2019 de handen ineen met Red Bull Racing.
De verwachtingen zijn torenhoog, mede door de progressie die dit jaar met zusterteam Toro Rosso geboekt is.
Honda werkt achter de schermen hard om voor komend jaar het gat met topmerken Mercedes en Ferrari te dichten.
De Japanners werkten sinds de Formule 1-rentree in 2015 al samen met IHI maar nu is de samenwerking geïntensiveerd in een poging de ontwikkeling te versnellen.
IHI is een van de marktleiders op het gebied van roterende machinetechnologie en is onder meer actief in de scheepsbouw en turbine-ontwikkeling.
Katsuhide Moriyama van Honda meldde: "We verwachten dat deze samenwerking een noemenswaardige stap in prestaties oplevert. Samen blijven we pushen om voor zeges te kunnen strijden."
De deal is tweejarig en de eerste resultaten van de nauwere samenwerking zullen te zien zijn in het motorblok voor 2019.
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Volgend seizoen komt F1 TV PRO beschikbaar in Nederland. Dat betekent dus live onboard, team radio en live de race kijken met engels commentaar
https://www.ziggosport.nl/nieuws/152160 ... sport.html
https://www.ziggosport.nl/nieuws/152160 ... sport.html
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Ik verbaas mij er overigens wel over dat het op de internationale fora heel erg anti Max is naar aanleiding van zijn incidenten de afgelopen jaren. Dan zie je toch pas echt goed hoe gekleurd het hier in Nederland is. Zelf vind ik dat er voor beide wat te zeggen valt hoor, ik verbaas mij alleen over het grote verschil tussen beide.
- WJ
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Welke fora zijn dat?
Want op Reddit (internationaler word het niet) roept 99% wat een idioot Ocon is. Zelfs (ex)coureurs die altijd erg kritisch zijn over Max branden Ocon af.
Want op Reddit (internationaler word het niet) roept 99% wat een idioot Ocon is. Zelfs (ex)coureurs die altijd erg kritisch zijn over Max branden Ocon af.
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Vooral duitse sites en fb paginas....
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Max is misschien nu wel de beste coureur van het moment, maar net als ieder ander is hij niet foutloos, integendeel, maar dat wuiven 'we' vaak weg. Want 'we' hebben in dit landje een rolmodel nodig(blijkbaar) in de sport, en wil 't niet bij 't schaatsen, voetbal, turnen of hockey, dan is Max onze driving god. Wat hij tov de rest vaak ook wel is overigens.la_fusion schreef: ↑13 nov 2018, 10:54 Ik verbaas mij er overigens wel over dat het op de internationale fora heel erg anti Max is naar aanleiding van zijn incidenten de afgelopen jaren. Dan zie je toch pas echt goed hoe gekleurd het hier in Nederland is. Zelf vind ik dat er voor beide wat te zeggen valt hoor, ik verbaas mij alleen over het grote verschil tussen beide.
Maar werden Piquet/Prost/Senna/Schumi overal op handen gedragen? Neen.
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Bijvoorbeeld bij website's als Top Gear staat Max er niet zo super op. De verdeling zal zo'n 70-30 zijn in het nadeel van Max.
- Arthur
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Dan sla ik die over. Ik hoef geen Engels commentaar, Nederlands is prima.Arthursx schreef: ↑13 nov 2018, 10:37 Volgend seizoen komt F1 TV PRO beschikbaar in Nederland. Dat betekent dus live onboard, team radio en live de race kijken met engels commentaar
https://www.ziggosport.nl/nieuws/152160 ... sport.html
- EmielS60
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Mooi, einde Mol en Plooij.
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Ik ben benieuwd naar de extra kosten die dit met zich mee gaat brengen. Heel tof om Max te kunnen zo op de voet te kunnen volgen.
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Je kan het ook los kopen zodat je geen Ziggo meer nodig hebt. Ik heb een extra Ziggo abonnement en die kan ik na het seizoen mooi opzeggen en dan vanaf volgend jaar alleen F1 TV PRO nemen. In Frankrijk kost het 170 euro per seizoen maar in Duitsland 65 euro, dus verschilt erg per land. Het zal hier wel aan de dure kant zijn ivm de samenwerking met Ziggo.
- Booooh
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Ik heb Ziggo Sport+ en uiteraard de Go app, kan dus overal kijken, geen behoefte om daar nog iets naast te gaan nemen, zeker niet als dat 150 euro of meer per jaar moet gaan kosten ...
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- Arthur
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Alleen Ziggo Go abbo. Daarop kan ik f1 zien. Geen idee of dat volgend jaar nogsteeds kan, maar zo niet, ook best.
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Ik vind Ziggo ook prima hoor... alleen hij moet wel stoppen met Rubens Hamichello hoor, dat doet ie te vaak gewoon.
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De column van Jolyon Palmer op de BBC website is wat mij betreft spot-on:
Former F1 driver Jolyon Palmer, who left Renault during the 2017 season, has joined the BBC team to offer insight and analysis from the point of view of the competitors.
Max Verstappen is showing exactly why he's tipped as a future champion at the moment.
His drive in Brazil was stunning yet again, and it comes off the back of his drives to second from 18th on the grid in the US Grand Prix, and of course his dominant win in Mexico.
The Dutchman has always been quick, but now he is cutting out his mistakes and racing with much better judgement than earlier in the year.
He would have had two wins on the bounce had it not been for one of the most brainless acts of driving I've seen in a long time in Formula 1, from Force India's Esteban Ocon.
Ocon is super-talented, and it's a real shame he's not going to be on the grid in 2019, but his collision with Verstappen put a real taint on his driving skill.
He's had his fair share of incidents, mainly with his team-mate, and that's been a focal point of his career - and one of the reported reasons Mercedes were reluctant to promote him to their team for next year was because they were worried about team harmony.
His move on Verstappen on Sunday was just plain wrong.
Drivers are allowed to unlap themselves in F1, but they have to do it cleanly.
The sporting regulations dictate total respect for the race leaders' battles - the rule that they can only see three blue flags before letting a leader by is a good example.
It should have been obvious to Ocon that he should not compromise the leaders' pace when at the back of the field by scrapping as he took advantage of a brief new-tyre performance peak.
For that reason, the FIA was right to give Ocon a 10-second stop-go penalty - he didn't just compromise the lead battle margin; he lost Verstappen a win by hitting him!
Hamilton was the man to profit from the clash to pick up yet another win, and, as you would expect, he was quick to defend Ocon after the race. Ocon is a Mercedes young driver, has worked closely with Hamilton and probably will again next year.
Hamilton argued to Verstappen that "you had more to lose than him", and yes, of course, in hindsight Verstappen may have thought he should have let Ocon go through, or at least left the door open to him at Turn Two.
But Verstappen was also right when he said: "You can't crash into the leader." And I'm sure Hamilton would have felt very differently if it was him having to defend and then getting turned around by a back marker.
Any pass would have been short-lived
It's not like Verstappen was going slowly and significantly holding Ocon up. He was lapping pretty much as quickly as anybody else on track.
OK, Ocon was briefly quicker. Midfielders can do that on fresh tyres. But after one or two quick laps, they have to get into their own race-management mode, saving a bit of tyres, fuel, energy on the battery, and their pace drops back to a more normal midfield level.
Had Ocon passed Verstappen, he would have had to let him by again a lap or two later. That would have cost Verstappen time at a point in the race when Hamilton was just a couple of seconds back from him.
When you have someone as successful as Hamilton fighting you for the win, you don't need to be messing around with a backmarker. It gives Hamilton a sniff of victory he shouldn't have.
As for Ocon, he was down in 14th place. His chances of even a single point were looking very slim. He was 10 seconds down on his team-mate Sergio Perez before they pitted, with two cars in between. Perez went on to claim that final point. It's hard to envisage Ocon would have beaten him.
Not only that, but if Ocon was thinking of trying to catch Carlos Sainz's Renault in 13th a tiny bit quicker, tucking in behind the race leader was a more effective way to do it than battling with him before having to mess about letting him by again a couple of laps later.
Would Ocon have pulled the same move on Hamilton? No chance.
Would he have pulled the same move on Vettel? I doubt it.
This was a move of frustration from a man who was big rivals with Verstappen in the 2014 Formula 3 season. He beat Verstappen to the title, yet it is Verstappen who is having all the success in F1 right now, and Ocon who is almost certainly out of a seat at the end of the year.
The frustration must have built up and there was zero respect shown for his rival.
He wouldn't have pulled the move on Hamilton because of Mercedes politics. He absolutely knew it would compromise the race leader's race. If it was Hamilton, he would have just kept his head down behind him.
With Vettel, I think there would have been a level of respect for a four-time world champion, and one of the senior drivers.
With Verstappen, none of that applied. No respect. Just foolhardy driving.
Verstappen deserved to win the grand prix. It was a thriller of a race and it is rare to see someone lead (or win) the race from fifth on the grid, having genuinely overtaken all of his rivals on the track.
Strategy helped in his pass of Hamilton for the lead because he pitted later, but he passed the other Mercedes of Valtteri Bottas fair and square into Turn One, and he overtook both Ferraris without the help from DRS overtaking aid as well, which is great to see (Vettel also had DRS on Bottas when Verstappen passed him so the advantage was negated).
Punishing Verstappen is silly
Verstappen's reaction after the race was understandable. He was rightly livid. He saw Ocon before heading to the podium and pushed him three times.
Verstappen picked up a two-day public service penalty from the FIA, which is silly.
People want to see drivers' emotions. This is the stuff of legend. Nelson Piquet karate-kicked and punched Eliseo Salazar in Germany in 1982 for a similar incident. Ayrton Senna came swinging at Eddie Irvine in Japan in 1993, when Irvine had unlapped himself on the Brazilian and given a cocky response when Senna went to talk to him about it.
Verstappen didn't physically harm Ocon. Sure, he pushed him a bit, but Ocon is a grown man. In a world where everyone claims the drivers' emotions and passions are being contained, Verstappen let it out and got punished for it.
If there was any legitimate threat to Ocon's wellbeing, then of course it would be unacceptable. But what Verstappen did was only the same as you usually get in football or rugby matches and is rarely punished. I can barely remember an incident when someone even got a yellow for a push.
Yet in F1, after one of the most controversial moments in recent times, it is deemed totally unacceptable.
I've been in Verstappen's shoes. I was taken out by a back marker in my GP2 days in my home race at Silverstone.
It wasn't F1 and I wasn't leading the race, but the frustration is through the roof when something like that happens. I also confronted the aggressor after the race and let him know my thoughts in no uncertain terms.
Unlike Max I didn't push him, but I did nonetheless pick up a hefty fine.
There was another, unrelated, incident of passion in Brazil. Vettel picked up a reprimand and €25,000 (£21,770) fine for driving off the weighing scales after being angered by being held back in second qualifying on Saturday with rain approaching.
To the outside world, this seems impetuous and, sure enough, everyone was quick to criticise Vettel for his outburst and actions. But the keyboard warriors sat in front of their TVs have no clue what it is like driving, under the helmet, in the heat of battle with millions at stake, and millions watching, quick to judge.
I could completely see where Vettel was coming from and his former team-mate Daniel Ricciardo agreed. Time was critical with rain approaching, and he should never have been called to the weigh bridge, as he had not set a lap time.
When everyone around was dawdling, paying no attention to the time pressures at play, that would be immensely frustrating. Vettel's qualifying nearly turned to disaster through no fault of his own. I've been there before and it's an agonising wait.
This is F1. This is sport. Passions run high. Let's not tame everything even further than it already is. As Vettel's former team-mate Mark Webber said, we want to see gladiators, not choir boys.
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