Focus RS 2015
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Andre
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Re: Focus RS 2015
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GTRene
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Re: Focus RS 2015
tja lekker, helemaal voor het geld 
ook fijne stoelen doe M performance ow euh recaro's
1 van de beste koopjes denk ik voor het geld al dat.
ook fijne stoelen doe M performance ow euh recaro's
1 van de beste koopjes denk ik voor het geld al dat.
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Andre
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Re: Focus RS 2015
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GTRene
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Re: Focus RS 2015
verbaast me niks.wordt voor sommige elders shoppen, magoed ook die wat hier staan zit wellicht op vele gewoon een wachtlijst op?
edit, ja dus, 4 maanden of 6 maanden of 12 maanden, lekker makers dus.
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GTRene
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Re: Focus RS 2015
via deze vrij snel nog leverbaar, mei 2016
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/detai ... geNumber=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
en deze ook gewoon nog uitzoeken is 4 maanden levertijd
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en deze ook gewoon nog uitzoeken is 4 maanden levertijd
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Andre
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Autocar: 2016 Ford Focus RS review
Fast, usable, temptingly priced and huge fun to drive, the new Focus RS isn’t just the affordable driver’s car of the moment, it’s also probably the best
by Matt Saunders, 18 January 2016
What is it?:
The new Ford Focus RS. And at the risk of spoiling the next thousand or so words for you, it’s about to be nothing short of a sensation for petrolheads the world over. But given how excited we’ve been by this car during the build-up to its launch and how impressed we've been from the passenger seat, I’m not sure that’ll actually spoil much of anything for anyone who’s been paying the slightest bit of attention to the motoring press over the past year. But there you go, our colours are nailed to the mast: it’s brilliant – and for several reasons.
Being officially launched to the press in Spain this week before right-hand drive deliveries begin in April, the new RS combines upper-echelon hot hatchback power and performance with superb handling and driver engagement and an outstanding value proposition. It’s a combination that the Blue Oval’s go-faster division, Ford Performance, formerly Team RS, consistently hits right on the bullseye, just as it did with the current Fiesta and Focus ST and both the first and second-generation Focus RS.
On this occasion the balance has been struck with a 345bhp 2.3-litre Ecoboost petrol engine and a four-wheel drive system that between them deliver sub-five-second 0-62mph sprinting. That's allied to a cracking hardcore suspension set-up that brings first-order grip and agility and a £28,940 asking price that undercuts every one of the car’s serious rivals – and some by a wide margin.
On top of which the new Focus RS adds something that even its £40,000 rivals from Audi and Mercedes-AMG fail to provide: throttle-adjustable handling freakishly similar to that of a proper rear-driven sports car, courtesy of one of the most advanced asymmetrical ‘active’ four-wheel drive systems available on the market at any price.
What's it like?:
Our early test was limited to a closed track, so you’ll have to wait for an appraisal of the car on European roads. Even so, I wouldn’t hesitate in declaring the car a perfect fit for those who want the last word in huge pace, all-weather usability and driver thrill from their fast five-door – and who’ll tolerate a firm but not uncomfortable ride into the bargain.
More stiffly sprung and damped than the lesser Focus ST, the RS rides with a certain antipathy for your well-being – but not with harshness or malign intent. Its Tenneco dual-rate shocks have a softer setting when the car is in its more pragmatic driving modes, making the car less forgiving over bumps than, say, a Volkswagen Golf R, but on a par with a Honda Civic Type R – and at a reasonable remove from anything you’d describe as savage or uncouth.
The car’s bucket seats force you into a slightly perched driving position that wants notably for downward adjustment, but the same has been true of every fast Focus we can remember. Just like in the ST, you get additional boost and temperature gauges set high on the roll-top fascia and RS-branded seats, while the instruments, leather steering wheel, gearlever gaiter and manual handbrake are all either stitched or highlighted in characteristic Ford RS blue, which looks great. The additional function buttons to note are the drive mode selector adjacent to the gear lever and the damper setting toggle button that replaces the lane-keeping assist button on the left-hand column stalk. Expect to be fiddling with both a lot.
The Mustang-sourced 2.3-litre turbo engine sounds angrier and more raspy than the Focus ST’s tuneful 2.0-litre. It's not quite as characterful, perhaps, as Audi’s five-cylinder RS3, but better than Mercedes-AMG’s A45. It responds to the accelerator pedal keenly in spite of the high specific output at which it’s operating and revs forcefully but progressively though the middle of the rev range, before climbing beyond 6000rpm quite freely.
It strikes you as a surprisingly civil and well-balanced engine – hard-hitting, too, of course – and is all the more involving to interact with as a result of Ford’s decision to stick with a six-speed manual gearbox where others fit paddleshift dual-clutch automatics. The gearlever is short and weighty, but just slick and positive enough that you don’t feel like you’re forcing it through the gate, plus the pedals are well located for heel-and-toe changes.
So, knowing you’re in the right gear as you approach a corner because you’ve actually engaged it first-hand, you tip the RS in - and find that it wastes no time or energy at all in body roll or directional laziness, pivoting keenly for the apex and generating big, instant amounts of lateral grip. The car’s steering is just tame enough to dodge any semblance of nervousness, the body checked and settled on its outside contact patches well before you’ve passed the apex at which you were vaguely aiming. No need to aim so vaguely next time, or be so conservative with your entry speed.
Now comes the RS’s party piece – which can be quietly surprising or downright amazing, depending on which driving mode you’ve dialled up. In Normal and Sport modes the car just goes beautifully neutral as you unwind the steering and squeeze the accelerator, already feeling more directionally poised than the four-wheel-drive hot hatch norm and without allowing the rear axle to run riot, or imposing on you for a significant steering correction.
Track mode keeps the tyre tracks in line, with an understandable eye on high-speed stability. But Drift mode allows the car’s attitude to gracefully and gradually build with power, and the RS to dance through the latter part of the bend with a few degrees of opposite lock applied. It still leaves room for the car’s ingenious clutch-based rear axle power split to shuffle drive away from the outside rear wheel, and to pull the car straight again when ‘a few' degrees of oversteer becomes ‘many’. But the way it does all that is incredibly benign and utterly brilliant, and speaks of both the technical superiority of the car compared with its peers and the remarkable effort and expertise of the people behind it.
Should I buy one?:
Yes, absolutely – even if you’ve only got a casual, occasional history of hot hatchback ownership and you have to raid the piggy bank and wait a year to do it. Plenty won’t have to stretch the purse strings too far for this car, of course, and the pent-up demand for it should keep residual values high – which is partly why it’s such a commendable buy.
But even if you do have to stretch a bit to afford it, the RS will be worth the pain. There are faster and more powerful alternatives, there are softer and less highly strung ones and there may even be better options for regular track-day use. But nothing else in the fast hatch arena combines real-world usability with real-road, any-condition pace, supreme driver involvement and such incredible bang for your buck. All of which, for a hot hatchback, seems just about the perfect definition of ‘exceptional’ in our book.
Fast, usable, temptingly priced and huge fun to drive, the new Focus RS isn’t just the affordable driver’s car of the moment, it’s also probably the best
by Matt Saunders, 18 January 2016
What is it?:
The new Ford Focus RS. And at the risk of spoiling the next thousand or so words for you, it’s about to be nothing short of a sensation for petrolheads the world over. But given how excited we’ve been by this car during the build-up to its launch and how impressed we've been from the passenger seat, I’m not sure that’ll actually spoil much of anything for anyone who’s been paying the slightest bit of attention to the motoring press over the past year. But there you go, our colours are nailed to the mast: it’s brilliant – and for several reasons.
Being officially launched to the press in Spain this week before right-hand drive deliveries begin in April, the new RS combines upper-echelon hot hatchback power and performance with superb handling and driver engagement and an outstanding value proposition. It’s a combination that the Blue Oval’s go-faster division, Ford Performance, formerly Team RS, consistently hits right on the bullseye, just as it did with the current Fiesta and Focus ST and both the first and second-generation Focus RS.
On this occasion the balance has been struck with a 345bhp 2.3-litre Ecoboost petrol engine and a four-wheel drive system that between them deliver sub-five-second 0-62mph sprinting. That's allied to a cracking hardcore suspension set-up that brings first-order grip and agility and a £28,940 asking price that undercuts every one of the car’s serious rivals – and some by a wide margin.
On top of which the new Focus RS adds something that even its £40,000 rivals from Audi and Mercedes-AMG fail to provide: throttle-adjustable handling freakishly similar to that of a proper rear-driven sports car, courtesy of one of the most advanced asymmetrical ‘active’ four-wheel drive systems available on the market at any price.
What's it like?:
Our early test was limited to a closed track, so you’ll have to wait for an appraisal of the car on European roads. Even so, I wouldn’t hesitate in declaring the car a perfect fit for those who want the last word in huge pace, all-weather usability and driver thrill from their fast five-door – and who’ll tolerate a firm but not uncomfortable ride into the bargain.
More stiffly sprung and damped than the lesser Focus ST, the RS rides with a certain antipathy for your well-being – but not with harshness or malign intent. Its Tenneco dual-rate shocks have a softer setting when the car is in its more pragmatic driving modes, making the car less forgiving over bumps than, say, a Volkswagen Golf R, but on a par with a Honda Civic Type R – and at a reasonable remove from anything you’d describe as savage or uncouth.
The car’s bucket seats force you into a slightly perched driving position that wants notably for downward adjustment, but the same has been true of every fast Focus we can remember. Just like in the ST, you get additional boost and temperature gauges set high on the roll-top fascia and RS-branded seats, while the instruments, leather steering wheel, gearlever gaiter and manual handbrake are all either stitched or highlighted in characteristic Ford RS blue, which looks great. The additional function buttons to note are the drive mode selector adjacent to the gear lever and the damper setting toggle button that replaces the lane-keeping assist button on the left-hand column stalk. Expect to be fiddling with both a lot.
The Mustang-sourced 2.3-litre turbo engine sounds angrier and more raspy than the Focus ST’s tuneful 2.0-litre. It's not quite as characterful, perhaps, as Audi’s five-cylinder RS3, but better than Mercedes-AMG’s A45. It responds to the accelerator pedal keenly in spite of the high specific output at which it’s operating and revs forcefully but progressively though the middle of the rev range, before climbing beyond 6000rpm quite freely.
It strikes you as a surprisingly civil and well-balanced engine – hard-hitting, too, of course – and is all the more involving to interact with as a result of Ford’s decision to stick with a six-speed manual gearbox where others fit paddleshift dual-clutch automatics. The gearlever is short and weighty, but just slick and positive enough that you don’t feel like you’re forcing it through the gate, plus the pedals are well located for heel-and-toe changes.
So, knowing you’re in the right gear as you approach a corner because you’ve actually engaged it first-hand, you tip the RS in - and find that it wastes no time or energy at all in body roll or directional laziness, pivoting keenly for the apex and generating big, instant amounts of lateral grip. The car’s steering is just tame enough to dodge any semblance of nervousness, the body checked and settled on its outside contact patches well before you’ve passed the apex at which you were vaguely aiming. No need to aim so vaguely next time, or be so conservative with your entry speed.
Now comes the RS’s party piece – which can be quietly surprising or downright amazing, depending on which driving mode you’ve dialled up. In Normal and Sport modes the car just goes beautifully neutral as you unwind the steering and squeeze the accelerator, already feeling more directionally poised than the four-wheel-drive hot hatch norm and without allowing the rear axle to run riot, or imposing on you for a significant steering correction.
Track mode keeps the tyre tracks in line, with an understandable eye on high-speed stability. But Drift mode allows the car’s attitude to gracefully and gradually build with power, and the RS to dance through the latter part of the bend with a few degrees of opposite lock applied. It still leaves room for the car’s ingenious clutch-based rear axle power split to shuffle drive away from the outside rear wheel, and to pull the car straight again when ‘a few' degrees of oversteer becomes ‘many’. But the way it does all that is incredibly benign and utterly brilliant, and speaks of both the technical superiority of the car compared with its peers and the remarkable effort and expertise of the people behind it.
Should I buy one?:
Yes, absolutely – even if you’ve only got a casual, occasional history of hot hatchback ownership and you have to raid the piggy bank and wait a year to do it. Plenty won’t have to stretch the purse strings too far for this car, of course, and the pent-up demand for it should keep residual values high – which is partly why it’s such a commendable buy.
But even if you do have to stretch a bit to afford it, the RS will be worth the pain. There are faster and more powerful alternatives, there are softer and less highly strung ones and there may even be better options for regular track-day use. But nothing else in the fast hatch arena combines real-world usability with real-road, any-condition pace, supreme driver involvement and such incredible bang for your buck. All of which, for a hot hatchback, seems just about the perfect definition of ‘exceptional’ in our book.
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matthyssie
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Nice
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Andre
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Re: Focus RS 2015
http://www.evo.co.uk/ford/focus-rs/1724 ... hatch-ever" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Andre
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Re: Focus RS 2015
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/ford ... irst-drive" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You’re left astonished by the way it ticks the same boxes as its competitors, then offers another dimension entirely. It’s a game-changer, this car. Really, it’s that good.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/dr ... ack-drive/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There’s one lovely section of the Lommel circuit where a left-hander leads into a long right, both taken in third gear. You have to brake while still turning left, and the tail slips wide as you do. A little flick to the right catches the slide and sets the pendulum swinging the other way. You don’t need any corrective lock, just keep the 2.3-liter turbocharged-four howling and drive through the turn, sliding gently sideways but driving hard out of the turn in a perfect four-wheel drift.
http://www.auto-news.de/test/einzeltest ... t_id_37778" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-review ... 16-review/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.autogids.be/autotests/eerste ... -2016.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You’re left astonished by the way it ticks the same boxes as its competitors, then offers another dimension entirely. It’s a game-changer, this car. Really, it’s that good.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/dr ... ack-drive/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There’s one lovely section of the Lommel circuit where a left-hander leads into a long right, both taken in third gear. You have to brake while still turning left, and the tail slips wide as you do. A little flick to the right catches the slide and sets the pendulum swinging the other way. You don’t need any corrective lock, just keep the 2.3-liter turbocharged-four howling and drive through the turn, sliding gently sideways but driving hard out of the turn in a perfect four-wheel drift.
http://www.auto-news.de/test/einzeltest ... t_id_37778" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-review ... 16-review/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.autogids.be/autotests/eerste ... -2016.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Laatst gewijzigd door Andre op 18 jan 2016, 18:08, 1 keer totaal gewijzigd.
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GTRene
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Re: Focus RS 2015
paar kleur opties (shop) 4 worden er van gebruikt las ik daar?
wat wordt het, zwart of grijs of toch...
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wat wordt het, zwart of grijs of toch...
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GTRene
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Re: Focus RS 2015
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Joy
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Re: Focus RS 2015
En dat is waarmee Ford eindelijk de hothatch liefhebbers tegemoet komt.... The natural chassis balance is actually quite lively, though, so on the way into corners the rear axle will take on some attitude if you attack the apex hard. Set that way, if you then stand on the power very early the four-wheel drive system will convert that slight lift off oversteer into very gentle power oversteer – all within the constraints of the Sport ESC setting. It’s compelling behaviour; exactly what we crave in those Haldex cars. It means the RS is more playful and exciting to drive than the other cars in this class, the only one that uses four-wheel drive to enliven the driving experience rather than merely add traction.
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Hielke
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Wanneer komt het Suthcliffe filmpje?
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Tim N
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Zwarte is ook gaaf, wel zonder chroom raamlijsten graag. Dat hoort niet op een RS
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Andre
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Teaser van evo magazine
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GTRene
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Re: Focus RS 2015
knalt behoorlijk over dat stuk weg in de 'bergen' is dat openbare weg? dan best 'gevaarlijk' met die blindspots.
op het circuit klonk het wel als onderstuur, maar kan ook liggen aan hoe je de bocht ingaat en hoe je met je rechtervoet omgaat.
op het circuit klonk het wel als onderstuur, maar kan ook liggen aan hoe je de bocht ingaat en hoe je met je rechtervoet omgaat.
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Robin
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Dit ding herdefinieert het hele HTK hatchbackgebeuren, A45/GolfR/RS3/M135i , allemaal 'eleganter'(?) maar dit ding is THE car to have in dat segment, voor zover ik alles bijmekaar heb gelezen wat er te lezen valt.
Nu las ik wat comments van Sportauto lezers (90% uit D). Daar waren er 'n paar premium (A45/RS3) fanboys, niet te zuinig:) 'De Rs gaat ten onder qua rijden/rondetijden bij de eerste test tegen A45/RS3'etc etc.
En dat idee heb ik dus niet.
Verder het interieur, is dat nou echt zo 'slecht'. Het is toch nieuw. Sportief modern....Ik vraag me dan af waar die zeurneuzen nu tegenaan kijken in hun daily? Dat zal wel geen Bentley Flying Spur dash zijn:)
Prima hoor. Als je een dash het belangrijkst vindt van the whole package, zijn er rijen dik liefhebbers die de reservering van de Focus RS van je over willen nemen.
IMHO kan (muv Macboy) een interieur nooit reden 1 zijn om 'n (DF) auto te kiezen of te laten staan.
Nu las ik wat comments van Sportauto lezers (90% uit D). Daar waren er 'n paar premium (A45/RS3) fanboys, niet te zuinig:) 'De Rs gaat ten onder qua rijden/rondetijden bij de eerste test tegen A45/RS3'etc etc.
En dat idee heb ik dus niet.
Verder het interieur, is dat nou echt zo 'slecht'. Het is toch nieuw. Sportief modern....Ik vraag me dan af waar die zeurneuzen nu tegenaan kijken in hun daily? Dat zal wel geen Bentley Flying Spur dash zijn:)
Prima hoor. Als je een dash het belangrijkst vindt van the whole package, zijn er rijen dik liefhebbers die de reservering van de Focus RS van je over willen nemen.
IMHO kan (muv Macboy) een interieur nooit reden 1 zijn om 'n (DF) auto te kiezen of te laten staan.
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OnlineErikS
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Heb je 'm in het echt bekeken?
Zo'n plat plaatje valt 't wel mee ja.
Zo'n plat plaatje valt 't wel mee ja.
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Robin
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Nee, ik heb nog geen Focus RS in 't echt gezien, stond ook niet op Brussel:)
Punt is dan: In 't echt is alles anders dan op plaatjes, toch?:)
Het is de perceptie van de persoon en beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Etcetera.
Punt is dan: In 't echt is alles anders dan op plaatjes, toch?:)
Het is de perceptie van de persoon en beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Etcetera.
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FreudeamFahren
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Het dash is grotendeels hetzelfde als in een instap Focus volgens mij. De stoelen zijn RS specifiek maar die zie je niet als je erin zit. Zijn wel heel belangrijk natuurlijk maar hebben geen invloed op het aanzien van de plastic doos waar je tegenaan zit te gluren...
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Robin
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Ik ben zelf altijd wat meer van door de voorruit naar buiten kijken waar ik heen (tegen)stuur.FreudeamFahren schreef:Het dash is grotendeels hetzelfde als in een instap Focus volgens mij. De stoelen zijn RS specifiek maar die zie je niet als je erin zit. Zijn wel heel belangrijk natuurlijk maar hebben geen invloed op het aanzien van de plastic doos waar je tegenaan zit te gluren...
Tegen een doos aangluren doe ik wel op andere momenten. Maar in 't verkeer niet handig, maar da's imho.
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Tom
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Gaat er ook om of de prijs in verhouding staat he.Robin schreef: Verder het interieur, is dat nou echt zo 'slecht'. Het is toch nieuw. Sportief modern....Ik vraag me dan af waar die zeurneuzen nu tegenaan kijken in hun daily? Dat zal wel geen Bentley Flying Spur dash zijn:)
Bij Ford betaal je 50K maar krijg je hetzelfde interieur als een Focus van 18K. Nu weet ik ook niet hoe dat interieur is, maar was nooit onder de indruk van Ford's interieur. Of ik een auto daarvoor zou laten staan weet ik niet, gaat om het complete plaatje, maar zo op de foto's zou het wel een minpunt zijn.
Je kunt ook een Rolex uurwerk in een Swatch-kast stoppen en voor Tag Heuer prijzen te koop zetten. Dat idee. Dan blijft die Swatch-kast voor mij ook een minpunt.
Bij de A45/GolfR/RS3/M135i is dat hetzelfde verhaal t.o.v. de instapmodellen van die merken, maar bij het duitse trio ligt de lat van de instapper al wat hoger als het om interieur gaat. Ik zit liever in een 114d dan in een Focus 1.4.
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Hielke
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Re: Focus RS 2015
Als de plank achter het stuur een thema is dan is zo'n auto niet je ding.
Waar blijven die filmpjes toch?
Waar blijven die filmpjes toch?
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