BMW S 1000 RR
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Email from Marc Potter (Editor of MCN)
"The S1000RR is utterly brilliant, the Superbike world has changed!"
It’s happened. BMW has finally launched the S1000RR. It’s nearly two years to the day since we first spied the 193bhp superbike on a racetrack in Spain. Heavily disguised in matt black R6 bodywork, technical details were scarce and rumours rife. We’d heard that the bike was fitted with everything from advanced traction control to F1 derived variable valve timing.
Over the next 18 months, further spy shots and details were gathered and prised from our best sources. By the time BMW finally released press photos last April we knew that the bike was a highly spec’d but fairly conventional 1000cc in-line four. I for one was a little disappointed.
BMW motorcycles have always been daringly different but now its engineers appear to be admitting that to compete is to conform.
If the S1000RR was going to cut it in the hellishly competitive 1000cc superbike class it was going to have to be brilliant. Word from the launch at the Portimao circuit is that the bike is just that. Utterly, utterly brilliant.
You can read the full test in this week’s MCN or watch the video of the track test on our site. The superbike world has changed.
"The S1000RR is utterly brilliant, the Superbike world has changed!"
It’s happened. BMW has finally launched the S1000RR. It’s nearly two years to the day since we first spied the 193bhp superbike on a racetrack in Spain. Heavily disguised in matt black R6 bodywork, technical details were scarce and rumours rife. We’d heard that the bike was fitted with everything from advanced traction control to F1 derived variable valve timing.
Over the next 18 months, further spy shots and details were gathered and prised from our best sources. By the time BMW finally released press photos last April we knew that the bike was a highly spec’d but fairly conventional 1000cc in-line four. I for one was a little disappointed.
BMW motorcycles have always been daringly different but now its engineers appear to be admitting that to compete is to conform.
If the S1000RR was going to cut it in the hellishly competitive 1000cc superbike class it was going to have to be brilliant. Word from the launch at the Portimao circuit is that the bike is just that. Utterly, utterly brilliant.
You can read the full test in this week’s MCN or watch the video of the track test on our site. The superbike world has changed.
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Mooie link Wouter
Ik had hem over de kop gezien...........
En waarachtig een mooi commentaar erbij, en niet van de minste ..................


En waarachtig een mooi commentaar erbij, en niet van de minste ..................
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Dit is helemaal...................................
Check ook BMW Concept 6 video
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Check ook BMW Concept 6 video
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Allemaal leuk en aardig dat BMW ook een poging wil doen om mee te strijden in het WSBK, tot op heden hebben we echter nog weinig resultaat gezien van deze "geweldige" creatie van BMW.
Wel stoer dat ze het aan durven, KTM durft het in ieder geval niet. Maar de jarenlange ervaring die in de Jappen en Duc zit kunnen ze nooit meer inhalen
Een strijd in de top 3 zal er in ieder geval voorlopig niet inzitten. Kijk naar de RSV4, zelfs Aprilia met een wereldcoureur aan boord heeft de grootste moeite met een top klassering, terwijl zij zelfs enorm veel ervaring hebben in de wegracerij, zij het niet op een ander front, maar toch. In mijn ogen een mislukt project. Dat ze maar lekker toerfietsen blijven bouwen, met handvatverwarming enzo 
Wel stoer dat ze het aan durven, KTM durft het in ieder geval niet. Maar de jarenlange ervaring die in de Jappen en Duc zit kunnen ze nooit meer inhalen


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In Motorrad nr. 25 staat een stuk over de S1000RR, gereden in Portimao.
Niets dan lof (had niet anders verwacht van een journalist die uitgenodigd is
), en een paar interessante details die ik nog niet wist (zoals remschijven direct aan de velg gemonteerd, abs wat achter niet werkt als je met je achterrem remt, drive-by-wire die hoekafhankelijk werkt).
Maar ook dat er onder 4000rpm niets loos is, en het echte werk boven de 7500rpm begint. Leuk voor op het circuit, maar voor op de weg? Wachten op de eerste test
KTM is trouwens aan het "proefrijden" in het IDM en 2e geworden achter, jawel, Yamaha.
Niets dan lof (had niet anders verwacht van een journalist die uitgenodigd is

Maar ook dat er onder 4000rpm niets loos is, en het echte werk boven de 7500rpm begint. Leuk voor op het circuit, maar voor op de weg? Wachten op de eerste test

KTM is trouwens aan het "proefrijden" in het IDM en 2e geworden achter, jawel, Yamaha.
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Guidooooo snapt het nog niet helemaal
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wjn schreef:In Motorrad nr. 25 staat een stuk over de S1000RR, gereden in Portimao.
Niets dan lof (had niet anders verwacht van een journalist die uitgenodigd is), en een paar interessante details die ik nog niet wist (zoals remschijven direct aan de velg gemonteerd, abs wat achter niet werkt als je met je achterrem remt, drive-by-wire die hoekafhankelijk werkt).
Maar ook dat er onder 4000rpm niets loos is, en het echte werk boven de 7500rpm begint. Leuk voor op het circuit, maar voor op de weg? Wachten op de eerste test![]()
KTM is trouwens aan het "proefrijden" in het IDM en 2e geworden achter, jawel, Yamaha.
Er schijnt (zoals ik het begrijp althans) een gyroscoop aan boord te zijn die de hoek meet (schräglage, wat een fantastisch woord toch weer) ga je te schuin voor de power, dan wordt er bliksemsnel vermogen weggenomen en zo een val voorkomen................
Ach, das geen nieuws..............................een M3 begint ook pas boven de 5K RPM, daaronder is er ook weinig loos

Ik zeg je, een M3 is meer dan dikke prima voor op de weg......................het circuit kom ik toch niet............................dus kom maar maar met de S1000RR

Ik zal eens kijken of ik nog ruimte heb en of ie naast de M3 past in de garage

Het is wel een mooi koppel, al zeg ik het zelf


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Zie het stuk over "LEAN ANGLES"
Das dus wat ik bedoel in voorgaande post
A rede report from N8 Kern
by Deans BMW on Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:46 am
The RR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since last Nov. the door slowly opened to learning about the The RR. From then on it has been a new chapter in my life. It went from the daily thought of "man this maybe my last hoorah on the Boxers I love..." So each and every time I was able to race the Boxers this past season (6 weekends I think), we went faster than ever before on them. If I could have only ridden with that in mind last season.
At first I wondered how 2009 would play out, there were already some thoughts I was having on other things I wanted to try career wise in life. My cup is pretty full, considering I never knew there was a cup to fill in regards to racing and making a living doing this. For sure there are some other things I would like to do before I get to old, but doors keep opening here in the MC world.
I just dont know actually what I wnat to do. When it is finally time to race there is a fire and passion that I cannot tap unless the flag drops, then its on. ANy other time I am actually really starting to enjoy more seeing people learn and break bad habits while riding together. The PR and marketing campaign with The RR has been a wild one. June 1st until about 6 days ago I drove 44,200 miles showing The RR. Ultra thankful for the opportunity and even more so that it is a motorcycle that IS what anyone would enjoy.
The RR!
The first RR I was delivered was considered PP1 (pre-production one). The molds on the bodywork were not the final finish, the weld around the gas cap rather big, and the water pump finish was from WW2. The bike came with zero DTC and ABS. The Modes were non existant too. It was just straight motor and chassis. I could not beleive how well the first slip of the clutch felt. Turning onto hot pit at NJMP and cresting the hill into T1. The power was on tap and very predictable instantly when she wanted to spin up. Very romantic I have to say when the contact patch decides to lose traction. The chassis flex and the rigid swingarm combine for a very forgiving feel that is not lethargic, but controllable. To be able to change lines and keep it spun up with control is the best feeling.
The Sachs suspension is well suited for even the fastest of trackday riders. So accute are the adjusters that anyone can feel a difference once adjusted. Massive Monoblok brakes with the Nissin master cylinder are strong, but thankfully the 46mm baseball bats they decided to use on the front can handle the stopping power.
Effortlessly you can pass anything on the track. Go ahead, laugh and sit back, and snicker at that comment. Im talking about trackdays I have ridden at. Not until yesterday while testing parts for BMW at Portimao (crazy due to just learning about The RR last year) have had a chance to ride against full on built race bikes. Back to that in a minute, if you were here you would not be able to stop laughing.
After PP! came the second RR, PP2. This now had a much cleaner weld around the gas cap, water pump was semi better, and finally the Modes for different throttle responses. So tame and smooth was this 181 RWHP "M" car on two wheels. Without DTC you can still not have nearly the chance of spinning in "Rain" mode.
"RAIN" mode will allow ANYONE to ride the most powerful litre bike ever. Its just friggin cheating. Its amazing in any weather condition. This is still without DTC. 150 crank HP in Rain, but you would never be able to tell its so mute, but still allows you to get going. Now that I have been invited to Portimao in Portugal to test and ride for 2 weeks on the final production bike, it is almost to much to digest how much more this bike can do for any rider. Once you ride it, you will see. Each and every journalist I rode with looked at me and shook their heads with the biggest smile I have ever seen on a human.
The lean angle sensors that I am now able to trueley understand make this bike even more rideable than the first two aspects (chassis and mapping). here it is, pay attention.
LEAN ANGLES that DTC unintrusiveley kicks in:
RAIN: 38 degrees
SPORT: 45 degrees
RACE: 48 degrees
SLICK: 53 degrees
What does that mean. Plain and simple, "PIN THAT F'ing THROTTLE" once at the predetermined lean angle (you will have to shut one eye duringthe process, but trust it please!). It is so hillarious and you cannot stop smiling as any rider can finally feel like a Pro! SO, you have mapping in each mode that only allows a percentage of power to be applied. Thus already keeping you safe regardless the lack of smoothness a rider may not have.
You can flat out smash the throttle and wtahc peripherally the DTC light light up and feel such a tame and very mute feeling of power loss, but not uspet even one millimeter the chassis or suspension. There is nothing intrusive about DTC, thank goodness. Once above the determined lean angle that DTC works, its back to that originally smooth chassis that gives so much feel while laying the power down.
DTC also has what so many call wheelie control, its NOT wheelie control. It is DTC! DTC senses the thr front and rear wheel speeds. Each mode also has its on level of input into how much it allows the front wheel to come off the ground. Rain mode barely at all, if you can even get it to do it. Sport mode a little bit, sits down and keeps you accelerating hard. Race mode maybe a good 3 feet and for a bit longer, then cuts in and smoothly sets down on its own. Then comes Slick mode! Only for 5 seconds maximum. Turn DTC off in any mode, you can have the forgiveness of the throttle mapping, but wheelie as much as you want then.
Sport mode is where the majority of these bikes will be ridden on the road. Race Mode has the 1:1 throttle ratio, but the 48 degree lean angle sensor that actuates the DTC for a brief moment, allowing you to drive hard off of corners on initial throttle pick up (the be ready to steer like you have a rudder in the rear!)
Slick mode can be accessed through the adapter being plugged in under the rear seat. Still a 1:1 throttle response, but a very strong and unleashed throttle opening that you can just hang on, but still with a level of control. There is no point that even pushing hard yesterday in Slick mode with DTC off, did thebike react violently when unhappy. I had a big moment testing an RR that had over 70 laps on Metzeler Racetec road tires. Not race tires. These have been thrashed for two straight days. Now it was time to see how quickly the bike can be recovered from a massive almost full lock slide. My ass was eating the seat, but I was still on two wheels, and heading downthe big drop onto the front straight. Awesome!
Oh yeah, I will finish my earlier thought. Thursday about mid day there was a few tractor trailers unloading bikes. These bike were coming off the trucks with full race plastics, number plates, and every damn brand from 600's to all of the litre bikes sold. Even the new RSV4 Aprillia. They were there to hold a race weekend. AT dinner Thursday evening, I was asked to join the a test being held the next day, during the race practice, on our straight production S1000RR's with full on road tires. The same ones that are coming on The RR for the customer (K3's). There is an A, B, C, and D group. D being the fastest. Out of 80 bikes the 4 of us testing were inthe top 6 fastest and Fuch's had the fastest time of everyone, LOL, on a full on streetbike! I was 4th fastest of everyone and 2nd of the 4 of us (2,6 seconds of Fuchs'ee!).
Already many people think I should be shot out of a cannon getting out of the time capsule I have been in racing Boxers. Not so initially. I am really fighting hard to change what is the most difficult, riding style. I now have a shorter wheelbase, conventional forks, and tons of ground clearance. To be good at both, no problem, but to be great at it is what anyone wants. Jurgen Fuch's is an amazing rider. He has brought me so far lap times from Monday. I have all next week too. I have to just start pushing the bike down with arms right at the apex of decreasing radius turns to get it to carve hard the way it can. Instead of leveling off at a certain lean angle of thebike and running a hair wide. Also, way to much cornerspeed, which we needed onthe Boxers. Nope not hear, it can do it, but then we cannot optimize the power and lay it down quciker, due to being on a smaller part of the tire.
Whew, okay alot of writing here, but I am excited to share with you all. This is as much yours as it is mine. Thak you for the seasons of support. I would like to race naturally, but I am looking into other career aspects whether it is still in the motorycle industry or not. There is a wide open door to make stupid money on a contract in Afghanistan, but I will enjoy this bike with you folks for a little bit longer.
Apologees in advance for not typing the way I ride!
N8!


Das dus wat ik bedoel in voorgaande post
A rede report from N8 Kern
by Deans BMW on Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:46 am
The RR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since last Nov. the door slowly opened to learning about the The RR. From then on it has been a new chapter in my life. It went from the daily thought of "man this maybe my last hoorah on the Boxers I love..." So each and every time I was able to race the Boxers this past season (6 weekends I think), we went faster than ever before on them. If I could have only ridden with that in mind last season.
At first I wondered how 2009 would play out, there were already some thoughts I was having on other things I wanted to try career wise in life. My cup is pretty full, considering I never knew there was a cup to fill in regards to racing and making a living doing this. For sure there are some other things I would like to do before I get to old, but doors keep opening here in the MC world.
I just dont know actually what I wnat to do. When it is finally time to race there is a fire and passion that I cannot tap unless the flag drops, then its on. ANy other time I am actually really starting to enjoy more seeing people learn and break bad habits while riding together. The PR and marketing campaign with The RR has been a wild one. June 1st until about 6 days ago I drove 44,200 miles showing The RR. Ultra thankful for the opportunity and even more so that it is a motorcycle that IS what anyone would enjoy.
The RR!
The first RR I was delivered was considered PP1 (pre-production one). The molds on the bodywork were not the final finish, the weld around the gas cap rather big, and the water pump finish was from WW2. The bike came with zero DTC and ABS. The Modes were non existant too. It was just straight motor and chassis. I could not beleive how well the first slip of the clutch felt. Turning onto hot pit at NJMP and cresting the hill into T1. The power was on tap and very predictable instantly when she wanted to spin up. Very romantic I have to say when the contact patch decides to lose traction. The chassis flex and the rigid swingarm combine for a very forgiving feel that is not lethargic, but controllable. To be able to change lines and keep it spun up with control is the best feeling.
The Sachs suspension is well suited for even the fastest of trackday riders. So accute are the adjusters that anyone can feel a difference once adjusted. Massive Monoblok brakes with the Nissin master cylinder are strong, but thankfully the 46mm baseball bats they decided to use on the front can handle the stopping power.
Effortlessly you can pass anything on the track. Go ahead, laugh and sit back, and snicker at that comment. Im talking about trackdays I have ridden at. Not until yesterday while testing parts for BMW at Portimao (crazy due to just learning about The RR last year) have had a chance to ride against full on built race bikes. Back to that in a minute, if you were here you would not be able to stop laughing.
After PP! came the second RR, PP2. This now had a much cleaner weld around the gas cap, water pump was semi better, and finally the Modes for different throttle responses. So tame and smooth was this 181 RWHP "M" car on two wheels. Without DTC you can still not have nearly the chance of spinning in "Rain" mode.
"RAIN" mode will allow ANYONE to ride the most powerful litre bike ever. Its just friggin cheating. Its amazing in any weather condition. This is still without DTC. 150 crank HP in Rain, but you would never be able to tell its so mute, but still allows you to get going. Now that I have been invited to Portimao in Portugal to test and ride for 2 weeks on the final production bike, it is almost to much to digest how much more this bike can do for any rider. Once you ride it, you will see. Each and every journalist I rode with looked at me and shook their heads with the biggest smile I have ever seen on a human.
The lean angle sensors that I am now able to trueley understand make this bike even more rideable than the first two aspects (chassis and mapping). here it is, pay attention.
LEAN ANGLES that DTC unintrusiveley kicks in:
RAIN: 38 degrees
SPORT: 45 degrees
RACE: 48 degrees
SLICK: 53 degrees
What does that mean. Plain and simple, "PIN THAT F'ing THROTTLE" once at the predetermined lean angle (you will have to shut one eye duringthe process, but trust it please!). It is so hillarious and you cannot stop smiling as any rider can finally feel like a Pro! SO, you have mapping in each mode that only allows a percentage of power to be applied. Thus already keeping you safe regardless the lack of smoothness a rider may not have.
You can flat out smash the throttle and wtahc peripherally the DTC light light up and feel such a tame and very mute feeling of power loss, but not uspet even one millimeter the chassis or suspension. There is nothing intrusive about DTC, thank goodness. Once above the determined lean angle that DTC works, its back to that originally smooth chassis that gives so much feel while laying the power down.
DTC also has what so many call wheelie control, its NOT wheelie control. It is DTC! DTC senses the thr front and rear wheel speeds. Each mode also has its on level of input into how much it allows the front wheel to come off the ground. Rain mode barely at all, if you can even get it to do it. Sport mode a little bit, sits down and keeps you accelerating hard. Race mode maybe a good 3 feet and for a bit longer, then cuts in and smoothly sets down on its own. Then comes Slick mode! Only for 5 seconds maximum. Turn DTC off in any mode, you can have the forgiveness of the throttle mapping, but wheelie as much as you want then.
Sport mode is where the majority of these bikes will be ridden on the road. Race Mode has the 1:1 throttle ratio, but the 48 degree lean angle sensor that actuates the DTC for a brief moment, allowing you to drive hard off of corners on initial throttle pick up (the be ready to steer like you have a rudder in the rear!)
Slick mode can be accessed through the adapter being plugged in under the rear seat. Still a 1:1 throttle response, but a very strong and unleashed throttle opening that you can just hang on, but still with a level of control. There is no point that even pushing hard yesterday in Slick mode with DTC off, did thebike react violently when unhappy. I had a big moment testing an RR that had over 70 laps on Metzeler Racetec road tires. Not race tires. These have been thrashed for two straight days. Now it was time to see how quickly the bike can be recovered from a massive almost full lock slide. My ass was eating the seat, but I was still on two wheels, and heading downthe big drop onto the front straight. Awesome!
Oh yeah, I will finish my earlier thought. Thursday about mid day there was a few tractor trailers unloading bikes. These bike were coming off the trucks with full race plastics, number plates, and every damn brand from 600's to all of the litre bikes sold. Even the new RSV4 Aprillia. They were there to hold a race weekend. AT dinner Thursday evening, I was asked to join the a test being held the next day, during the race practice, on our straight production S1000RR's with full on road tires. The same ones that are coming on The RR for the customer (K3's). There is an A, B, C, and D group. D being the fastest. Out of 80 bikes the 4 of us testing were inthe top 6 fastest and Fuch's had the fastest time of everyone, LOL, on a full on streetbike! I was 4th fastest of everyone and 2nd of the 4 of us (2,6 seconds of Fuchs'ee!).
Already many people think I should be shot out of a cannon getting out of the time capsule I have been in racing Boxers. Not so initially. I am really fighting hard to change what is the most difficult, riding style. I now have a shorter wheelbase, conventional forks, and tons of ground clearance. To be good at both, no problem, but to be great at it is what anyone wants. Jurgen Fuch's is an amazing rider. He has brought me so far lap times from Monday. I have all next week too. I have to just start pushing the bike down with arms right at the apex of decreasing radius turns to get it to carve hard the way it can. Instead of leveling off at a certain lean angle of thebike and running a hair wide. Also, way to much cornerspeed, which we needed onthe Boxers. Nope not hear, it can do it, but then we cannot optimize the power and lay it down quciker, due to being on a smaller part of the tire.
Whew, okay alot of writing here, but I am excited to share with you all. This is as much yours as it is mine. Thak you for the seasons of support. I would like to race naturally, but I am looking into other career aspects whether it is still in the motorycle industry or not. There is a wide open door to make stupid money on a contract in Afghanistan, but I will enjoy this bike with you folks for a little bit longer.
Apologees in advance for not typing the way I ride!
N8!
- romo
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Re: BMW S 1000 RR
Even een andere vraag;
Het motorpak;
1 Liever 1 pak?
2 Combi broek en jack?
Wie heeft daar een (gefundeerde) mening over? Wat heeft de voorkeur en waarom........
Dit vind ik best wel mooi;



De DoubleR collectie is het pak van de voorgaande pagina, ook erg fraai..............
Het motorpak;
1 Liever 1 pak?
2 Combi broek en jack?
Wie heeft daar een (gefundeerde) mening over? Wat heeft de voorkeur en waarom........
Dit vind ik best wel mooi;
De DoubleR collectie is het pak van de voorgaande pagina, ook erg fraai..............
- frank de jonge
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Re: BMW S 1000 RR
Combipak, als je terrasje aangaat doen dan moet die jas uit kunnen 

- romo
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Dat had ik wel gedacht, het terras...............
DoubleR Collectie bevat naast het reeds eerder genoemde rood-blauw-wit ook de volgende variant; rood-zwart-wit ( dit is dus een pak )
Nou ja; beide nog maar even dan;


Handschoenen;


DoubleR Collectie bevat naast het reeds eerder genoemde rood-blauw-wit ook de volgende variant; rood-zwart-wit ( dit is dus een pak )
Nou ja; beide nog maar even dan;
Handschoenen;
- Niels
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Re: BMW S 1000 RR
Of het mislukt is wil ik na 1 seizoen zeker nog niet zeggen. Als het a la Petronas het komende seizoen nog minder gaat dan trek ik mijn conclusies wel. Om succesvol te zijn in de racerij heb je niet alleen kennis en ervaring nodig. Loads of money helpt nog meer, alles is te koop in die wereld uiteindelijk. Waarom denk je dat Ducati jarenlang met meer cc's en minder kg's mochten rijden, alleen vanwege het "nadeel" van de twee cilinder zekerGuidooo schreef:Allemaal leuk en aardig dat BMW ook een poging wil doen om mee te strijden in het WSBK, tot op heden hebben we echter nog weinig resultaat gezien van deze "geweldige" creatie van BMW.
Wel stoer dat ze het aan durven, KTM durft het in ieder geval niet. Maar de jarenlange ervaring die in de Jappen en Duc zit kunnen ze nooit meer inhalenEen strijd in de top 3 zal er in ieder geval voorlopig niet inzitten. Kijk naar de RSV4, zelfs Aprilia met een wereldcoureur aan boord heeft de grootste moeite met een top klassering, terwijl zij zelfs enorm veel ervaring hebben in de wegracerij, zij het niet op een ander front, maar toch. In mijn ogen een mislukt project. Dat ze maar lekker toerfietsen blijven bouwen, met handvatverwarming enzo


Ik was nooit BMW fan maar momenteel maken ze de mooiste motoren qua looks en eigenzinnigheid. Je mag wel een HP2 en een R1200S bij me in de schuur zetten 8)
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Re: BMW S 1000 RR
Liever een goede combi dan een slechte ééndeler.romo schreef:Even een andere vraag;
Het motorpak;
1 Liever 1 pak?
2 Combi broek en jack?
Wie heeft daar een (gefundeerde) mening over? Wat heeft de voorkeur en waarom........
Dit vind ik best wel mooi;
De DoubleR collectie is het pak van de voorgaande pagina, ook erg fraai..............
In het algemeen is een ééndeler is vanwege het ontbreken van ritsen (en alles wat daaromheen zit) veiliger, maar dan ook alleen als het uit grote stukken leer gemaakt is (dus weinig naden).
Ik heb trouwens een ééndelig pak, geen problemen op terrasjes hoor

P.S. Jurgen Fuchs is op elke willekeurige motor secondes sneller dan de rest, wel eens een vergelijkende test gelezen tussen 1000cc superbikes. Met Fuchs erop zat er geen seconde tussen de diverse motoren.
- romo
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Goeie tip.....................thanks
Probleem voor mij zal zijn dat ik nogal brede schouders heb en een smalle taille ( oud wedstrijd zwemmer en daaraan overgehouden) het probleem is dan dat of de broek veel te los zit bij een passen boven stuk. Bij afzonderlijke delen kun je dat oplossen door verschillende maten te nemen..........................enfin, ik zal het eens bekijken................

Probleem voor mij zal zijn dat ik nogal brede schouders heb en een smalle taille ( oud wedstrijd zwemmer en daaraan overgehouden) het probleem is dan dat of de broek veel te los zit bij een passen boven stuk. Bij afzonderlijke delen kun je dat oplossen door verschillende maten te nemen..........................enfin, ik zal het eens bekijken................
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Er zijn ook een aantal nederlandse bedrijven zoals MJK en Verheul die pakken op maat maken. Niet eens veel duurder als Dainese oid.
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En hier sla je de plank volledig mis. Het is juist de kennis en ervaring dat vele malen belangrijker is dan een flinke zak met geld. Ducati bewijst dat al sinds ze deelnemen aan de MotoGP. Je wil niet weten hoeveel keer kleiner het budget van Ducati is in vergelijking met de grote merken zoals Yamaha bijvoorbeeld.Niels schreef:Om succesvol te zijn in de racerij heb je niet alleen kennis en ervaring nodig. Loads of money helpt nog meer, alles is te koop in die wereld uiteindelijk.
En het is een feit dat BMW totaal geen ervaring heeft in de 2 wieler racerij. Een belangrijk ingrediënt van het recept ontbreekt en dus zal de cake nooit smaken

Tenzij ze natuurlijk een ander merk opkopen en op die manier de kennis kunnen delen. En dat is nu precies wat ze bij de G450X gedaan hebben, anders was dat verhaal ook op één grote aanfluiting uitgedraaid.
Ik vind het jammer. Dat ze nou gewoon doen waar ze goed in zijn. Met alleen innovatie kom je er gewoon niet

Wat betreft dat pak: ééndelig zit gewoon het lekkerste, is alleen wat onhandig als je op het terras zit. Ik ben zelf zeer te spreken over de kwaliteit van Alpinestars. Dat is toch wel de BMW onder de motorpakken

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En het is een feit dat BMW totaal geen ervaring heeft in de 2 wieler racerij. Een belangrijk ingrediënt van het recept ontbreekt en dus zal de cake nooit smaken
Dat lijkt me niet geheel conform de waarheid....................
Thanks anyway voor de tip

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Dat wil ik zeker wel wetenGuidooo schreef: Je wil niet weten hoeveel keer kleiner het budget van Ducati is in vergelijking met de grote merken zoals Yamaha bijvoorbeeld.


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1 delig racepak is wel het veiligste wat je kan hebben, heb ik ook. Ik ken iemand (instructeur) die ook eens gereden heeft met een 2 delig leren racepak, maar dat is een stuk minder als je onderuit gaat. Het zit namelijk aan elkaar geritst en als je dan met 200 op je waffel gaat, vliegen de ritsen gewoon open/eraf.
- frank de jonge
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Ja maar 200 mag ja weer niet 
Tuurlijk is 1 delig het meest sterke. MAar gebruiksgemak zou ik gewoon voor een 2 delig pak gaan. Daarmee willen KD's ook net zo goed

Tuurlijk is 1 delig het meest sterke. MAar gebruiksgemak zou ik gewoon voor een 2 delig pak gaan. Daarmee willen KD's ook net zo goed

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Mooie tips mannen....................
Maar als ik het goed begrijp is er maar 1 oplossing;
Ik koop zowel een 1 delig als een 2 delig pak.......................................

Maar als ik het goed begrijp is er maar 1 oplossing;
Ik koop zowel een 1 delig als een 2 delig pak.......................................


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