Het grote Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X topic

[Roman]

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[Arthur]

Ik vind deze toch echt mooier dan de WRX/STI.

[Daan]

Juist! Onderstel en velgen+banden van die rooie op die witte zetten, en hij is lekker... Vooral dat front is bruut. Erg boze auto om te zien in wit met zwart.

Daan...

[Kasteel]

Duidelijk de mooiere auto, vooral van zij aanzicht echt een prachtexemplaar. Gewoon w88 op de EVO XI RS van 1450kg die vloer aanveegt met alles .

[Erik]

ik vind die grote kolenschepsmoel als grille dus geen pan

[Roman]

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I walked into the dealer yesterday with the intentions of just taking a look at it. I haven't liked it based on pics and magazine articles. To make a long story short, after seeing it in person and taking a spin I felt it was worthy of the $40,700 I dropped on it

Here is it next to my 8. The 8 is for sale...2005 GSR with 37K miles. $22K

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Today, we had the brief opportunity to drive the all new Evo X MR. While far from a complete test, we were able to try out the yet to be released model, complete with the SST twin clutch transmission on the Cypress, CA highways and side streets. A more complete test will follow as soon as the media vehicles are ready for release, however until then here are each of our impressions:

Charles (CharlesJ)

Approaching the new MR, I was instantly struck by the subtle, but noticeable exterior and interior differences. The BBS wheel package, and subtle exterior trim upgrades set the MR apart giving it a slightly more refined, finished appearance. The chrome accents on the front grille may not appeal to everyone, but are understated enough to not detract from the styling. Looking closer, I notice the MR’s 2 piece front rotor, a definite upgrade of the GSR shedding more unsprung weight. Continuing the theme inside, the alcantra/leather seats and enhanced trim details make a very noted improvement allowing a more upscale feel. I felt this to be a greater difference than that of the previous generation GSR to MR. So far so good. However, much like all of you, the SST transmission consumed all of my questions. On the way to lunch, I left in the Phantom Black (which has a surprising amount of gold flake in it) MR set to “normal” mode and left in full auto. This mode is primarily for gas mileage and smooth driving without performance in mind. You can practically forget you are in an Evo and comfortably cruise along with smooth auto shifting. The response is slightly sluggish in this mode, but purposely so for efficiency. Fantastic for getting from point A to B, but certainly not the most entertaining.

After lunch, we decided to give the transmission a work out to see it’s true colors. Moving into sport mode and sliding to shifter an inch to the left for manual mode, the new MR starts to come to life. Selecting this mode moves the performance and response up a notch and speeds up shift times. Casually scrolling through the gears on the side streets, shifts are quick, crisp, and border on uneventful. Pulling onto the 22, I finally have an opening and clear 4 gears in a hurry before merging. Power and response feel similar to the previous generation, however with a bit less sound, and a tad bit smoother. It should be mentioned that the MR has about an additional 16lbs of sound insulation applied in the lower sections of the car. In full throttle, the new SST is flawless. Consistent perfect quick shifts every time with a true manual feel (minus the third pedal of course). Downshifts are even more entertaining with a quick blip that matches my best ever heal toe. Admittedly, a paddle shift lacks the ultimate involvement of a standard shift, but I was surprised to find just how much I enjoyed this.

Switching over to full auto but left in sport, I find out something I did not previously know. The transmission computer will actually mimic a sports driving condition intuitively up and downshifting for you almost exactly when you would. Brake from speed down into a corner, and it will actually downshift through each gear keeping the revs up so that you are ready to give it the full juice out of the corner. This is unlike a traditional slushbox that waits for you to nail the gas pedal before deciding to downshift into your powerband. Although I personally would never choose to, one could leave it in this mode at the track and get nearly the same results as if they did the shifting themselves.

Almost back to our destination, I had two more things to try out before handing the keys back over. Super sport mode, and a corner. Super Sport mode boosts performance and quickens shifts yet again. Additionally, it is designed to hold the revs above 4500 at all times. With each sportier mode, the shifts are more noticeable, however still as smooth as the best standard transmission shifts. The super sport mode really shows the liveliness of the transmission and engine. Off the line and approaching a corner, it seemed a bit quicker and much more responsive, and then again on the slow down braking to set up for the 90 degree turn. Not knowing fully what to expect and unwilling to damage the MR, I actually ended up going about half the possible speed with better than expected turn in leaving me in the middle of the road rather than tracked out to the side. Needless to say, it made a good impression.

Summary: The new MR remains an Evo, but all new at the same time. It adds a new level of daily livability that can really add to the overall enjoyment of the car while making a brilliant model like the one it replaced seem slightly antiquated. Hard core enthusiasts with heavy modification goals and regular track days may find the GSR a more suitable option, however for a broader range of situations, I was very pleasantly surprised and pleased with this latest MR. Further more, I can’t wait to test this model more extensively and get it out to the track.


Ali (spt)

Charles is usually more technical with his articles then I am so I’ll try not to repeat most of what he said:

First impressions are very important and my first impression of the Evo X MR couldn’t have been any better. The MR is a totally different car then any other Evo I’ve ever driven, which includes the Evo X GSR. The MR carries a more gown up feel with its well-refined interior, suspension, and SST transmission. Now I know most will misinterpret my “grown up” comment as a sign that the MR is water downed, but believe me the MR is far from it.

Let’s start with the interior. As soon as I sat in the car, my first thought was that the guys complaining about the econo like car interior on the previous Evolutions must of struck a cord with Mitsubishi. They really stepped it up with this new interior. It definitely wasn’t at a luxury car level, but I think it was a great effort on their part. The quality of the materials used for the dash, seat, steering wheel, and the rest of the interior is much better then it has ever been. Mainly the alcantra (very different then what we got on the 8 & 9) and fine leather that was used throughout the interior gives the interior the more upper class feel. As for the exterior, the BBS wheels and subtle exterior changes made all the difference in looks between itself and the GSR.

Moving on, I got the chance to drive the MR on the streets to get a feel for its new SST transmission, ride quality, and performance. To be honest I was a little skeptical about the idea of not having a clutch I could manually use. I never publicly expressed my opinion primarily because I’m a firm believer of not knocking something until you experience it for yourself. After experiencing the various modes (Standard, Sport, and Super Sport) on the highway and side roads, I’m glad I held my tongue. Normal mode for me was a little subdued but for those who want to take it easy and save money on gas it’s the perfect setting. Sport mode sparked a little fire giving the car a more edgy feel by holding gears longer and downshifting more aggressively, but it still didn’t feel aggressive enough. In my opinion super sport was the setting of choice. The car felt like it had more power and each shift change had a noticeable neck jerking effect, which was awesome. Going through the gears gave me the closest feeling I would ever get to a F1 car. Not everyone would probably use this mode on the street but for someone like me I think I would have a consistent smile stamped on my face. Now remember the SST transmission won’t ever give you the same feeling as a standard manual, but I do have to say it gets pretty close. One little cool feature I got to experience was the MR’s launch control. It was extremely easy to activate. Switch to the right mode, foot on the brake, rev to 5k, and left off the brake and off you go.

As stupid as it may sounds, I really felt like I was more in control of my driving experience even though a computer was technically more control then I was. But I think being able to switch between automatic and manual mode and then controlling the aggressiveness by switching through each mode is a powerful tool to have.

The extra sound deadening is a bummer if you are looking to save weight but it does do its job keeping noise out of the cabin. The suspension dampened road imperfections very well and held its own in small onramp excursions. If I closed my eyes and didn’t know I was in an Evo, I would have thought we were in an autobahn machine. It felt very stable, solid and precise.

So in the end I would have to give the MR a two thumbs up. Straight out of the box, the MR has a lot to offer; comfort, performance, and style. Simple mods such as brake pads, wheels/tires, and some suspension mods would be the most I would ever do. If you were looking to mod this car, a GSR would be the better choice to go with.

[Roman]

Hi guys,
We've had our Evo X for about two weeks now. Put on close to 1000 miles already. A lot of it on the dyno. Today's tuning results were very positive. Simply put, the X has proven to be more tune-friendly than even the IX. While it makes a bit less power in stock configurations, it ends up making quite a bit more power when tuned both cars are tuned. All tuning was done with a modified version of our BMW PROcede v2 engine control computer that was re-coded to accept the new Mitsu-specific 36-3 trigger wheel and misc sensors.

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In fact, today's results show that a tuned Evo X (with no additional bolt-on parts) makes as much power to the wheels as a tuned Evo IX with a full exhaust (dp+highflow cat+ cat-back). And that's just for starters. I'm sure the X will benefit from exhaust upgrades as well as additional tuning. Right now, peak boost is set to 23psi, tapering down to just 15psi by 7000rpm. There's a little bit still left in there.

All dyno testing was conducted on a Mustang Dyno at Full Function (www.fftec.com). Baseline was 215whp and 240lbft of torque. Basically right in line with what has been reported by others. Of course, this was on a motor with just 200 miles so I suspect it would have picked up some more hp as it broke in. For comparison, stock Evo IXs do a bit better with approx 220whp/235lbft.

But once boost, fuel and timing were adjusted, we saw a repeatable 285-290whp and 290-295lbft of torque. For comparison, Tuned Evo IXs end up making 270-275whp and 280-290lbft of torque on the same dyno. This is on straight 91oct.

These are very good preliminary results. I honestly wasn't expecting the X to do that well with just a first-attempt tune. Here are a few tuning runs from today:

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Observations:
-The X runs grossly rich under boost. So rich, in fact, that the engine bogs briefly between shifts at WOT. Really annoying.
-Power output is very sensitive to fueling as soon a AFR leans out from the 10-10.5:1 AFR range it usually runs in at full load. And it stays reasonably sensitive to enleanment even into the 12-12.5:1 AFR range. Something that wasn't the case with the 4G63.
-Engine still makes power in the presence of detonation events (which is not good of course). The 4G63 would behave differently by immediately yanking back several degrees of timing and 20-30lbft of torque. Not sure why the ECU in the X isn't as reactive to knock a the older ECUs. One interesting thing I noticed is that the tachometer movement becomes "sticky" when accelerating during audible knock activity. Haven't seen that before.
-Engine tends to detonation at fuel cut. We had to enrich and retard the last 300rpm prior to fuel cut to prevent this from happening.

Post Tune Driving Results:
-Finally feels like an Evo. And it now enjoys to be revved out to 7000rpm.
-Extra power really makes all the fancy drivetrain electronics shine brightly. Feeling the front end of the car immediately 'tuck in' midcorner as soon as the throttle goes down is downright cool.
-Power output is incredibly consistent and smooth, just as the dyno results suggest.

There is really no area of performance that doesn't have the IX beat handily. The X is more comfortable, more drivable, just as straight-line quick with similar mods, far quicker and more adjustable through any kind of corner, etc,. Really, this is an incredible car. Especially in the rain

Next week, we'll do some more tuning as well as test some exhaust and piping upgrades.

Cheers,
Shiv
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[Ingo Liedgens]

Is er al iets bekend; wat hij in Nederland gaat kosten?

[Macboy]

Ik denk Impreza prijzen, dus reken op 60/65k ?

[Daan]

De 'gewone' 5 bak versie zonder navigatie gaat voor ca. de EVO8 prijs van de hand geloof ik (ca. 52-53k). De versie met SST bak e.d. ligt tegen de 60k.

Hoewel de EVO natuurlijk de top is in de Lancer lineup, zal de Ralliart versie best populair gaan worden denk ik. Heeft alle ingrediënten in zich om een ultiem tuningsobject te worden.

Daan...

[Artosevo]

AMS is weer goed bezig.

http://amsteam.net/files/1/AMSSingleTip.wmv



Arjan.

[Roman]

Bij de officiële onthulling van de Prototype-S, de voorbode voor de Lancer Sportback, doet Mitsubishi een opvallende uitspraak. Volgens het merk gaat de vijfdeurs variant namelijk het leeuwendeel van de Lancer-verkopen voor z’n rekening nemen.
In het officiële persbericht meldt de Engelse tak van Mitsubishi dat het verwacht dat maar liefst 80 procent van de Lancers een vijfdeurs Sportsback wordt. Om ons alvast te laten wennen aan deze auto die kennelijk veel op onze wegen gaat verschijnen, neemt Mitsubishi de Prototype-S mee naar Genève. Het merk geeft toe dat de productieversie van de auto maar weinig zal verschillen van deze concept-car.
De Prototype-S staat standaard op 19 inch lichtmetaal. Onder de kap vinden we de techniek die z’n weg gaat vinden naar de Ralliart-versie van de Sportback: een 2,0-liter turbomotor met 240 pk, gekoppeld aan een zestraps SST-transmissie met dubbele koppeling. De Prototype-S laat zijn kracht los op alle vier de wielen.
Op de meest recente foto’s kunnen we nu ook het interieur van de concept-car zien. Voor de gelegenheid heeft Mitsubishi gebruikgemaakt van bruin leder op de stoelen en zwart suède op de deuren en het dashboard.

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[Pescatore]

Mitsubishi is met die Sportback even leentjebuur wezen spelen bij Subaru. Doe mij de sedan maar.

Wel een van de mooiste interieuren af-fabriek in een Mitsubishi

[Harrie]

Mitsubishi is met die Sportback even leentjebuur wezen spelen bij Subaru. Doe mij de sedan maar.

Wel een van de mooiste interieuren af-fabriek in een Mitsubishi

Met het eerste ben ik wel met je eens. Het 2e wat minder. Laat je niet misleiden door die geweldig mooie Recaros,verder stelt het toch niet veel voor?

Ik zag trouwens op een engels forum al een dyno test. 200pk aan de wielen. Niet wat weinig?

[Pascal]

@Harrie;bedoel je die 200 wielpk's voor de 240 pk versie? Zo ja,dan klopt het wel;AWD geeft al gauw 40 pk verlies naar de wielen

[Hendrik Kinderman]

wetgeving tegenwoordig bepaalt toch dat als er een opgave is van 200 pk vermogen, dat dat vermogen op de WIELEN is, en niet rechtstreeks van de krukas?

anders is 't wel een royaal verschil

[Pascal]

Nee hoor;het vermogen van alle auto's dat door de fabriek wordt opgegeven zijn krukas-pk's en AWD verliest idd redelijk wat pk's;het ene merk meer dan het andere uiteraard,maar een pk-verlies van 40 bij AWD is heel normaal

[Opa]

Dit ziet er beter uit vind ik:

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[Harrie]

@Harrie;bedoel je die 200 wielpk's voor de 240 pk versie? Zo ja,dan klopt het wel;AWD geeft al gauw 40 pk verlies naar de wielen

240pk voor een Evo X. Nope. Het gaat om de engelse GS300. 202 wiel pk's en 267pk vliegwiel. Hier staat een filmpje van de test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biwECp6DZ80

De S heeft toch "maar" 240 pk? De echte Evo X 280 of 300 pk toch?

[Hendrik Kinderman]

Nee hoor;het vermogen van alle auto's dat door de fabriek wordt opgegeven zijn krukas-pk's en AWD verliest idd redelijk wat pk's;het ene merk meer dan het andere uiteraard,maar een pk-verlies van 40 bij AWD is heel normaal

Ik meende dat er normen aan gebonden zijn voor het vermogen dat dat aan het wiel gemeten en geleverd wordt.

[Pascal]

Nee,motorvermogen wordt in de fabriek op de krukas op een motorproefstand gemeten en dat zijn ook de pk's die opgegeven worden...

[Macboy]

WOOW !

Die 5-deurs Mitsu neemt het lelijkere deel van de sedan weg.

Subliem. Dit is de achterkant die de Subaru had moeten krijgen.

Subliem ! dikke 10 !

[Topfuel]

Vind het helemaal nix...

[Marcel H.]

Doe mij maar de sedan. 8)

Volgens het merk gaat de vijfdeurs variant namelijk het leeuwendeel van de Lancer-verkopen voor z’n rekening nemen.
In het officiële persbericht meldt de Engelse tak van Mitsubishi dat het verwacht dat maar liefst 80 procent van de Lancers een vijfdeurs Sportsback wordt.

80% v.d. Lancers een Sportback. Dat moet ik nog zien.

Op DF is de verhouding precies andersom, afgaande op de laatste replies.

[rene evo]

Het prijsverschil tussen mijn evo 9 en de x is groot,zekers met bilstein, andere velgen,etc.

Het blijft een mooie bak,dat zeker.