PPP - Pure Porsche Porno

[Hans R]

Oke Mark, je weet dat ik niet zo van die kevers ben maar dit is idd wel echt porno!

[Aernoudt]

Die oakley GT2 (zoals hierboven) mogen ze bij mij best op de inrit komen zetten als auto voor straat gebruik/Ring Wat een gave/brute bak is dat (verkeerd concept of niet (versus Cayman bijvoorbeeld) dit is samen met een GT3RS (voor mij nog net iets puurder ivm geen turbo, maar minder power) toch wel DE auto).
Geen paddle-shirt/DSG/AYC/4WD/... meuk: gewoon een echte pure hard-core stoemper waar je alles zelf moet doen: maximale beleving dus !

[David R.]

Mijn god wat een snoepwinkel. Nooit naar toe gaan want daar kom je niet weg zonder iets te kopen waar je later heel veel spijt van krijgt (huis verkopen, nieren etc)
Laatst met een GT2 gereden en toen was ik al bijna verkocht (in tegenstelling tot de GT3 die mij niet zoveel deed). Zelfde GT2 staat nu overigens te koop voor € 260.000,-. Persoon van wie ik hem geleend had is denk ik ook gaan rekenen. Zou wel graag nog een keer een turbo kopen maar twijfel altijd aan de gebruiksvriendelijkheid. Een vriend van me had een R8 en heeft hem weer ingeruild voor een RS6. Hij vertelde me dat de keren dat hij er mee reed hij toch altijd een bepaald schaamtegevoel had wat hij bij de RS6 niet heeft.

[Andre]

Even wat lees voer.


The Clash of Two Worldviews
By Erwin Koch

Porsche has long been a symbol of wealth, power and freedom. For Europe, the top priority has become that of limiting greenhouse gas emissions. A visit to the two worlds shows they have little in common.

Sometimes, when Mr. Spiegel drives to work, passing fields and forest along the way, a fox darts across the road in front of him. It's one of the rare times when Spiegel, obsessed as he is with propulsion, is grateful for his 911 Carrera's brakes. And the brakes are indeed exceptional -- made of ceramic, they respond quickly and, more importantly, they only weigh half as much as cast iron. Although braking technology isn't exactly Spiegel's favorite subject, he rejoices over every gram he can subtract from the vehicle's total weight.


DDP
Porsche makes some of the best sports cars in the world. But Brussels says they emit too much CO2.
Leo Spiegel is the director of advanced powertrain development and alternative drives at Porsche in the town of Weissach, 30 kilometers (19 miles) northwest of the southern German city of Stuttgart. Spiegel, a farmer's son from the eastern part of the state of Hesse, holds a doctorate in engineering and builds engines, perhaps the best in the world.

Of course, says Spiegel, with a hint of a smile, that's something he would never claim.

"But we do have a certain amount of pride in the things we do here," he says, sitting at the conference table in his office on Porsche Street, Building 60, Second Floor, Room 217. But then he wrinkles his forehead and says that, as everyone knows, disaster is on its way from Brussels.

Bane of European Carmakers

Mr. Hörmandinger gets off the Brussels subway at the Beaulieu stop, along with dozens of other passengers. He takes the narrow escalator up to street level, crosses Avenue de Beaulieu and walks briskly up the street, passing cars on both sides and buildings of concrete and glass and, finally, enters a tall building at No. 5 Avenue de Beaulieu. It is a non-smoking building. He shows the guard his identification card and walks to the elevator, passing two glass cases containing products that are considered commendable for being environmentally friendly: P 311 Planta Orange Universal Cleaning Fluid, P 312 Planta Lemon Maintenance Cleaner, P 313 Planta Soft All-purpose Cleaner and P 314 Planta Aloe Dishwashing Detergent. The words "Europe Goes Green" are printed in large letters between the cases.

Hörmandinger is a policy officer with the Directorate General for Environment at the European Commission in Brussels, responsible for clean air and transport. Günter Hörmandinger, the son of a railroad man from Upper Austria, holds a doctorate in engineering and is the bane of European carmakers.


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"But I do understand that the auto industry is outraged," he says, in his small office on the sixth floor, in Room 112.

But engine builder Spiegel in Weissach, cupping his bald head in his hand, says, with regret: "What the EU wants Porsche to do is impossible, at least according to the physical laws of this earth."

Hörmandinger, the environmental bureaucrat, together with several other officials, has put together a law that would require, beginning in 2012, all new cars throughout the EU to emit an average of no more than 130 grams of carbon dioxide for each kilometer driven. But what that means for individual manufacturers and the emissions reductions they will have to achieve is determined by a so-called limit value curve. Automakers who build cars that are heavier than the average will not be required to reduce emissions to 130 grams. Porsche's sports cars would face a 144-gram per kilometer CO2 emissions limit.

"Porsche will hardly be able to achieve that on its own," says Hörmandinger, 46, in Brussels.

Not all that Special

"We'll never achieve 144," says Spiegel, 48, in Weissach.

Currently, the average Porsche emits 282 grams of CO2 per kilometer, far more than all other makes.

In Weissach, where visitors approaching the revolving doors are greeted with the message "Please push door lightly, door will revolve automatically," there is a glass case that contains the company's pride and joy: scale models of its cars, the 911, the Boxster, the Cayenne, in various colors and permutations. The common Boxster takes six seconds to accelerate from zero to 100 kilometers per hour (0-60 mph in 5.8 seconds). It packs 245 horsepower under its hood, tops out at 258 km/h (160 mph), and has a sticker price of €45,309 ($58,000). The Cayenne Turbo accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in five seconds (0-60 mph in 4.8 seconds), while the 911 Turbo does it in only four seconds (0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds), comes with a 480-horsepower engine, tops out at 310 km/h (193 mph) and costs €153,956 ($197,000), sales tax included.

"Porsche," says the Brussels official, "is the best." Anyone who builds engines at Porsche can be considered part of the engineering elite, says Hörmandinger, who studied engine building before switching to physics and was once required to draw a diesel engine in an examination.

Hörmandinger says that he understands that the people who manufacture the best engines are now frustrated because being the best, their exclusive realm until now, is suddenly no longer considered all that special.

"It's almost like an insult to one's dignity," says Hörmandinger in his small office with the number BU-9 06/112 on the door. The room is furnished with wine-red carpeting, metal cabinets, a world map on the wall and photographs of all of the European commissioners.

"What the EU wants from Porsche is unrealistic and unfair," says engine builder Spiegel. "Just as a single-family home emits more CO2 than a studio apartment, a Porsche emits more CO2 than a small car."

What officials in Brussels want is physically impossible, he says, unless Porsche abandons its identity in the future. But sacrificing Porsche would be like sacrificing a slice of German culture, says Spiegel. As a boy, Spiegel repaired his father's tractors and other farm equipment before becoming a lathe turner and eventually a production engineer and expert for internal combustion engines.

"To achieve what the EU wants, we would have to build different cars, 100-horsepower cars. But then Porsche wouldn't be Porsche anymore."

'Physically Impossible'

Hörmandinger, the European bureaucrat, is short on sympathy. After all, he points out, the EU's current demands have been known for the past 13 years.

Indeed, in 1995 the Commission of the European Union put it in writing, for the first time, that the goal of its environmental policy must be to limit the average fuel consumption among all automobiles to five liters of gasoline or four-and-a-half liters of diesel per 100 kilometers driven (47 mpg for gasoline, 52 mpg for diesel).

Five liters of gasoline or four-and-a-half liters of diesel, when burned, emit 120 grams per kilometer of CO2.

Carbon dioxide, or CO2, is a chemical compound made up of carbon and oxygen, a colorless, odorless gas, and a natural component of the air. It is produced during the combustion of substances containing carbon, including all fossil fuels, like oil, natural gas and coal, as well as in the bodies of living beings.

The amount of manmade carbon dioxide is directly dependent on the combined amount of fuel being burned. Each year, 36 billion tons of CO2 are released into the earth's atmosphere through chimneys, exhaust pipes and other sources. This CO2, more than any other substance, contributes to the accelerating warming of the planet -- by 0.75 degrees Celsius (1.35 degrees Fahrenheit) since 1900. The climate is in the process of changing. Ice that man once considered eternal is melting and high winds are becoming hurricanes.

"When you read what the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has written," says the man in Brussels, "you have to conclude that what we are doing here cannot be described as unrealistic, but as reasonable and necessary."

"Physically impossible," says the man in Weissach.


The Clash of Two Worldviews
By Erwin Koch

Part 2: 'Porsche Means Enjoyment of Life'


According to the IPCC experts the earth's temperature, if irreversible damage is to be avoided, cannot increase by more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) by the end of the century. But they fear that if nothing is done now, the world could face a temperature rise of 4 or, in the worst case, 6 degrees Celsius (10.8 degrees Fahrenheit) by 2100.


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Porsche makes some of the best sports cars in the world. But Brussels says they emit too much CO2.
"Porsche is prepared," Spiegel promises, "to do more than others, as long as Porsche remains Porsche."

In 1997, in Kyoto, the EU committed itself to reducing its emissions of carbon dioxide by 550 million tons by the year 2012. One year later, in 1998, the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA) pledged to do its part and voluntarily limit CO2 emissions in new cars to 140 grams per kilometer by 2008.

When the EU took another look at the numbers in 2004, average emissions had in fact been reduced -- from 186 grams to 163 grams per kilometer since 1995 -- but total CO2 emissions had increased significantly, because so many new and more powerful cars had been put on the roads in the interim.

"It is certainly possible that Porsche and a few others made their contribution to voluntary reductions as promised. But Porsche has a market share of 0.28 percent in Europe," says Hörmandinger who, at 31, decided to switch fields from theoretical solid state physics and quantum mechanics to environment technology, so that he could do something that he considered more meaningful.

'Can't Go on Like This'

Engine builder Spiegel tugs at his red tie. "We produce luxury, beauty on four wheels, and a world that no longer allows that is not my kind of world."

Porsche, Spiegel says reverently, is a legend. Porsche is emotion combined, at least when it comes to the famous Carrera, with a unique design that has remained almost unchanged for the past 40 years, together with excellent longitudinal dynamics, good cornering ability and an unparalleled sound -- the Porsche sound. Indeed, it is no secret that there is an entire department at Porsche that deals exclusively with transforming the mechanical sounds a Porsche emits on the road into a pleasing, powerful growl.

"Porsche means enjoyment of life," says Spiegel.

"It can't go on like this," says Hörmandinger.


Matthias Jung
Günter Hörmandinger says that we need to change our priorities.
"But we don't do this purely for our own enjoyment; we do it because this is what our customers want. Our customers are ordering the legend," says the man in Weissach.

"The planet has become smaller," says the man in Brussels.

On Dec. 19, 2007, after a dispute between the Commissioner for the Environment and the Commissioner for Enterprise and Industry, the European Commission released the reports prepared by Hörmandinger, of the Clean Air and Transport Unit within the General Directorate for Environment, and a handful of his colleagues. It was titled: "Proposal for a Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council: Setting emission performance standards for new passenger cars as part of the Community's integrated approach to reduce CO2 emissions from light-duty vehicles," document COM(2007) 856 final - 2007/0297 (COD).

Under the proposal, the carbon dioxide emissions of new cars are to be reduced, throughout the EU, to 130 grams per kilometer, as measured using a standardized testing procedure, by the year 2012.

The proposal also calls for eliminating another 10 grams with secondary measures, including better air-conditioning systems, improved powertrains, wheels with lower rolling resistance, adding biofuels to gasoline and the like. Manufacturers that fail to remain within their limits would be subject to monetary penalties, beginning with a €20 ($26) fine per vehicle and per gram of CO2 over the limit, increasing to €35 ($45) in 2013, €60 ($77) in 2014 and €95 ($122) in 2015. Responding to the report, Porsche management promptly announced: "If this measure is approved, we are finished."

Curves and Circles

"We need an effective deterrent," says Hörmandinger in his small office, the walls lined with statistics and charts of columns, curves and circles.

"Impossible, according to the laws of physics on this earth," repeats Mr. Spiegel, engine builder in Weissach, who bought his first car at 17, a two-seater Opel GT, before he had even earned his driver's license.

"Technically doable on the whole. But challenging," says Mr. Hörmandinger, the Brussels bureaucrat, who spent hours sitting at his computer to figure out how much carbon dioxide his own household produces.

When the Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche Aktiengesellschaft, a.k.a. Porsche, reviewed the EU commissioners' proposal, it calculated that it would be slapped with a fine of about €350-440 million ($448-563 million) for 2015 alone, depending on which improvements it manages to incorporate into its engines by then.

"We have an appreciation for our responsibility," says Spiegel.

"The draft legislation can only be effective," says Hörmandinger, "if it is cheaper for an automobile manufacturer to comply with the limit than pay a fine for noncompliance."

Hörmandinger's proposal triggered an outcry among politicians, who promptly conjured up the specter of economic war and a destructive campaign against the German automobile industry, especially since it would not be difficult for the Italian and French competition, which already specializes in smaller, fuel-efficient cars, to comply with the order from Brussels -- unlike Mercedes, BMW and Porsche.

Hörmandinger places his elbows onto his small table and says quietly: "Protesting loudly and quickly is part of the nature of things."

Not So Wonderful After All

In truth, he says, he understands the outcry coming from Germany, a country that defines itself to some degree by its big, fast and powerful cars, a country that has won the contest to determine who can build the most prestigious cars. Some of this outrage, Hörmandinger believes, is an expression of disappointment over having developed icons of social achievement that are coveted worldwide, only to hear Brussels' latest pronouncement: What you Germans are doing isn't so wonderful after all.

"The process of rethinking has just begun," he says.

After returning from the brink of economic ruin in the early 1990s, Porsche today is considered the world's most profitable carmaker. Porsche sells almost 100,000 vehicles a year, about five-sixths of them abroad. The company currently owns 35 percent of voting shares in the Volkswagen Group, a company 14 times its size. Porsche, intent on being a major player, seeks dominance and has no false pretenses. The words of its chairman are now legendary: "Coming around the corner, quick as lightning, taking the opponent by surprise and then disappearing in a flash -- that is Porsche."

Porsche, facing a calamity from Brussels, made it clear that it believes that the Commission's proposal is not neutral when it comes to competition. Moreover, the company said, the regulation is poorly suited to solving the problem, because cutting global emissions from passenger cars in half will have almost no effect on the worldwide rise in CO2 levels.

Hörmandinger says, quietly: "If we compare emissions from cars with total global greenhouse gas emissions, they may seem small. But the fact is that mankind will only be capable of reducing emissions of CO2 worldwide if the West takes a credible first step. That's the way it is!"

'Forget About the Rest'

In other words, says Hörmandinger, the West, which has grown rich by emitting with abandon, must demonstrate to China, India, Brazil and all other countries what it expects from them.

"Transportation is responsible for 24 percent of emissions in the EU. Of that amount, 80 percent stems from road traffic, and two thirds of that comes from cars. Twelve percent of carbon dioxide emissions in the EU comes from cars. Twelve percent! One of the biggest coherent groups of emitters! If we," says Hörmandinger, his voice growing louder, "if we do nothing, we might as well forget about the rest!"

Spiegel, in a quiet voice, says: "What else can I, as an engine builder, do when I've already done everything possible? I don't know how else to satisfy the demands from Brussels."

Porsche spends €500 ($640) to prevent a single ton of CO2 emissions, says Spiegel. In other areas, such as power plants, heating systems, and building insulation, preventing this single ton costs €20-30 ($26-38).

"It's unfair, what we see coming from Brussels," says Mr. Spiegel, running his hand across his head, in Building 60, Room 217 in Porsche Land. Spiegel, who is beginning to sound bitter, says that the rest of the automobile industry benefits from the work that Porsche does constantly: producing more efficient motors. And for that, he says, Porsche is now being punished. "When it comes to fuel consumption and CO2 emissions, we are among the best in the premium segment, and with some models we are the best."

Out of concern for sports car maker Porsche, with its 12,000 employees, the European Commission's proposal allows an automobile manufacturer that is unable to achieve the Brussels targets to fictitiously merge with another manufacturer that does better than the targets. In that case, the average of all emissions from both manufacturers' new vehicles would be the decisive figure.

Porsche promptly made it clear that this pooling option was not well-received in the company. Porsche would prefer being given a technically doable, though challenging reduction target, "in the interest of the environment and customers."

Sold Down the River

"Pooling," says Hörmandinger, "puts us where we want to be politically. We don't want to destroy the diversity of the European auto industry. Porsche should survive. We just want to bring down the emissions coming from all new cars on the EU's roads to an average of 130 grams."

"What am I supposed to do," asks Spiegel? "We are working intensively on hybrid engines. Hybrid engines are a combination of an electric and an internal combustion engine. But they aren't ready for serial production yet. What should we do? We introduced direct fuel injection in the Cayenne and the new sports car, as well as variable valve control. We have installed variable oil pumps in our engines, and we use highly sophisticated and expensive coatings in the engines to reduce friction."

Spiegel praises the Cayenne's eight-cylinder engine, calling it the absolute top of the line when it comes to mechanical efficiency, and the new Carrera, with its new engine and new high-performance, double-clutch transmission. This new Carrera, he says, achieves fuel efficiency levels of eight liters per 100 km (29 mpg) despite having more than 300 horsepower.

"We feel sold down the river by Brussels," says Mr. Spiegel, who hardly ever leaves his office before 7:30 p.m. and sometimes, constantly thinking about improvements, has trouble sleeping. During a recent vacation at the beach, his wife even threatened to throw his laptop into the water.


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The financial crisis and resulting economic downturn will certainly not make things easier. And just the week before last, Greenpeace came out with an article claiming that the cars Porsche -- but also Audi and VW -- have been selling in recent years have become more harmful to the environment, in contrast to the products of BMW, Mercedes and Ford.

Hörmandinger says he is convinced that CO2 emissions can be reduced by at least 80 percent on earth without sacrificing quality of life. Basically, he says, the problem is a mental one.

"Mankind must learn to redefine quality of life. Nowadays, mankind behaves as if there were no distances anymore. People fly to Barcelona for a few euros to go shopping, eat beans from Cameroon and give each other roses from Ecuador. And they make it a human right to speed along a German Autobahn at 240 km/h (149 mph). I believe that mankind must regain an appreciation for distance," says Mr. Hörmandinger. Last December, when he was shaping his ideas into a proposal, he rarely left his small office on Avenue de Beaulieu before 2 a.m.

Every morning, both Dr. Günter Hörmandinger and Dr. Leo Spiegel, the environmental official and the engine builder, take their young sons by the hand and take them to school, a daily ritual that brings great joy to their lives. One in Brussels -- and one in Weissach. One in a Carrera -- and one on foot.

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan

[Mark Nauta]

Tsja.....Zo is de situatie inderdaad! En ik denk dat Porsche en dergelijke merken maar naar de pijpen van de EU kunnen gaan dansen......

Maar hoe zit het nu eigenlijk voor Porsche nu ze zo'n groot aandeel in VW hebben. Kunnen ze hun 'vervuilende' auto's nu compenseren met 'schone' auto's van VW??

[HSR]

Tsja.....Zo is de situatie inderdaad! En ik denk dat Porsche en dergelijke merken maar naar de pijpen van de EU kunnen gaan dansen......

Maar hoe zit het nu eigenlijk voor Porsche nu ze zo'n groot aandeel in VW hebben. Kunnen ze hun 'vervuilende' auto's nu compenseren met 'schone' auto's van VW??

Dat aandelen verhaal was een buitengewoon sterk staaltje hedgen ! Gerucht is wel dat ze daarmee kunnen compenseren. Het 'echte' verhaal is dat de familie de merken binnen eigen beheer willen houden. Dit was ook de reden waarom Piech(?) bij VW vervangen werd, als ik me het goed herinner.

[Mark 320iS]

Tsja.....Zo is de situatie inderdaad! En ik denk dat Porsche en dergelijke merken maar naar de pijpen van de EU kunnen gaan dansen......

Maar hoe zit het nu eigenlijk voor Porsche nu ze zo'n groot aandeel in VW hebben. Kunnen ze hun 'vervuilende' auto's nu compenseren met 'schone' auto's van VW??

Dat aandelen verhaal was een buitengewoon sterk staaltje hedgen ! Gerucht is wel dat ze daarmee kunnen compenseren. Het 'echte' verhaal is dat de familie de merken binnen eigen beheer willen houden. Dit was ook de reden waarom Piech(?) bij VW vervangen werd, als ik me het goed herinner.

Bij mijn weten ging Piëch met pensioen. Piëch behoort gewoon tot de familie overigens, is een neefje van...

[Mark Nauta]

Holding in Volkswagen to be increased to over 50 per cent

Porsche’s majority in Volkswagen will provide indirect control over Scania

Stuttgart. On this Monday, Porsche Automobil Holding SE, Stuttgart, purchased further ordinary shares in Volkswagen AG, Wolfsburg, and will increase its hold-ing to 50.76 per cent of all ordinary voting shares in Volkswagen. As a result of passing the threshold of 50 per cent Porsche will acquire indirect control over Scania AB, Södertälje, and is required by Swedish law to launch a mandatory offer for the truck manufacturer. The Stuttgart-domiciled company is not bound by pre-acquisition prices and is only obliged to offer the minimum price prescribed by law. The minimum price will be calculated on the basis of the volume weighted average stock exchange price of the Scania shares during the 20 trading days prior to publication of the acquisition of the majority in Volkswagen. Porsche points out that it has no strategic interest in Scania and is not interested in acquiring Scania shares.

[Thomas H]

[quote="Michel Huisman"]Bij beeld hoort geluid..



Ik dacht altijd dat het geluid van de Porsche Carrera GT niet te overtreffen was, maar mijn god dit komt in de buurt zeg! Wat een subliem geluid, en zeer gaaf met dat klepje!

[Ben_968CS]

Even wegdromen: zo gaat dat dus, als je nieuwe RSR wordt afgeleverd

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=iHO4dfbVkkY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fijne vlammen en flitsen uit de uitlaat, erg fraai

[500E]

Wat een forumvervuiling zeg, al die opgewaardeerde keverts.

[Mark Nauta]

Wat een forumvervuiling zeg, al die opgewaardeerde keverts.

Haha . Hoe bevalt de jouwe Marco? Of heb je er de laatste weken met dit weer niet zoveel mee gereden. We willen verhalen, anecdotes, filmpjes en vooral foto's .

[Mark Nauta]

Meer plaatjes van een nieuwe RS, die is toch echt zo goed als af!!

[jeust]

Wat plaatjes kunnen geen kwaad.

[jeust]

Nog een paar.









Dat is wat ik noem, Pure Porsche Porno.

[Mark Nauta]

Nog een paar.





Dat is wat ik noem, Pure Porsche Porno.

Carrera RS. ZO MOOI!!!!!!!!
Met de GT2 samen, mijn favo 993.

[Tristan]

Idd, en dan met de 'lage' spoiler, niet de GT spoiler. En in het geel please! 8)

[Mark Nauta]

Idd, en dan met de 'lage' spoiler, niet de GT spoiler. En in het geel please! 8)

You read my mind!!!! Zo moet ie inderdaad. Exact zo zelfs:

[GTRene]

Oke tis een replica RS maar jongens kijk eens wat mooi en dan is de prijs ook netjes

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showD ... geNumber=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[GTRene]

Idd, en dan met de 'lage' spoiler, niet de GT spoiler. En in het geel please! 8)

You read my mind!!!! Zo moet ie inderdaad. Exact zo zelfs:

jullie wensen worden verhoord, kijk eens wat en pracht

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showD ... geNumber=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


jullie volgende wens een zak met geld kan ik niet aan voldoen, die zoek ik ook

[jeust]

Zo'n oude foto maakt het extra mooi.

[Mark Nauta]

Ja, wat is die wagen zo toch lekker. In die kleur is ie met ClubSport pakket wel heeeeel erg mooi hoor!!!

[Niels]

Staat bij Meilenwerk in Berlijn, geen koopje maar met slechts 20000km wel zeeeeer begeerlijk. Een 993 Turbo met RS goodies af fabriek:





En waar staan er nou twee 959's

[Ahmed]

:banaan:

[Mark Nauta]

Wat een banaan inderdaad. Ik sla bij die echter even over.....